[Ws2-jurisdiction] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting Scheduled for Wednesday 2 August 1300

Mon Jul 31 18:53:20 UTC 2017

Sir, Pls indicate ,based on the participation list at the Sub Group, who
from those long list attend the sub group .
But from Switzerland ,at least three
Moreover, I do not understand Los Angles day, we are talking of National
Holidays NOT REGIONAL OR URBAN HOLIDAYSD
Regards
Kavouss

On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Sir,
> your comments is totally misleading.
> Regards
> Kavouss
>
> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig@
> redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
>
>> Indeed, we should not have meetings on the national holiday of any
>> nation.  Here is a helpful list for August:
>> http://www.officeholidays.com/2017/08.php
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>
>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>
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>> 097CA066684
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>>
>>
>> *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounc
>> es at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Kavouss Arasteh
>> *Sent:* Monday, July 31, 2017 2:12 PM
>> *To:* Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <
>> leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>; Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de>; Bernard
>> Turcotte <turcotte.bernard at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* ACCT-Staff <acct-staff at icann.org>; ws2-jurisdiction <
>> ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting
>> Scheduled for Wednesday 2 August 1300
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Bernard,
>>
>> It is a pity that SAM Unfortunately cannot join our Wednesday 2 August
>> 1300 meeting but could participate on Tuesday 1 August 1300 to cover the
>> topics of OFAC and Choice of Law from the ICANN perspective.
>>
>> However, tomorrow 01 August is the National Holiday in Switzerland and
>> must be respected by all means. See Below
>>
>> The *Swiss National Day* is the national holiday
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Day> of Switzerland
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Switzerland>, set on 1 August. *It has
>> been an official national holiday since 1994 *, although the day had
>> been used for the celebration of the foundation of the Swiss Confederacy
>> for the first time in 1891, and then repeated annually since 1899.1]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_National_Day#cite_note-1>
>>
>> The date is inspired by the date of the Federal Charter of 1291
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Charter_of_1291>, *Pacte du
>> Grutli, *placed in "early August",[2]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_National_Day#cite_note-2> *when
>> "three Alpine cantons swore the oath of confederation" (Schwyz, Uri and
>> Unterwald), *an action *which later came to be regarded as the
>> foundation of Switzerland*."[3]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_National_Day#cite_note-swissworld-3> *needed
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed>*]
>>
>> The Federal Charter of 1291 first assumed great importance in a report by
>> the Federal Department of Home Affairs
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Department_of_Home_Affairs> of 21
>> November 1889, suggesting a celebration in Bern
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bern> in 1891 that would combine the
>> city's 700th anniversary with the Confederacy's 600th anniversary.[*citation
>> needed <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed>*]
>>
>> I remember, we did not have any meeting on 4TH July as we respected the
>> National Holiday of American.
>>
>> I therefore have serious difficulties to accept the shift of the meeting
>> from 02 to 01 August disrespecting the national holiday of a respectful
>> nation
>>
>> Pls move the meeting back to 02 August
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Kavouss
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 4:54 PM, Paul Rosenzweig <
>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>>
>> Paul Rosenzweig
>>
>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
>>
>> O: +1 (202) 547-0660 <(202)%20547-0660>
>>
>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650 <(202)%20329-9650>
>>
>> VOIP: +1 (202) 738-1739 <(202)%20738-1739>
>>
>> www.redbranchconsulting.com
>>
>> My PGP Key: https://keys.mailvelope.com/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x9A830
>> 097CA066684
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounc
>> es at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Jordan Carter
>> *Sent:* Sunday, July 30, 2017 7:39 PM
>> *To:* Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>> *Cc:* ACCT-Staff (acct-staff at icann.org) <acct-staff at icann.org>;
>> ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting
>> Scheduled for Wednesday 2 August 1300
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear Kavouss, dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>> I would like to lend my support to the process that Greg has set out. It
>> is important for the integrity of the CCWG's process that decisions about
>> what work to request from ICANN are made by sub-groups as a whole or by the
>> CCWG plenary.
>>
>>
>>
>> If the Jurisdiction group decides that the sort of written material being
>> requested is required, then I am sure that ICANN will look favourably at
>> that request and provide it as soon as possible.
>>
>>
>> The written transcripts of the call will help make any verbal briefings
>> and information available and easier to understand as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I look forward to hearing how the call goes.
>>
>>
>>
>> All bests,
>>
>> Jordan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 July 2017 at 07:40, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Greg
>>
>> Thank you for reply.
>>
>> I know many people do not wish to react or act on OFAC as they would like
>> that such unreasonable continued to be applied to some limited number of
>> countries . You may not have any point to do that .
>>
>> Sam Eisner explanation MUST BE IN WRITTEN FORM as I have serious
>> difficulties to understand her  message while she may speak very  well but
>> I have difficulty to get the message  so I want an advance copy of her
>> explanation before the meeting  .
>>
>> Pls note that I am not alone on the issue. If there are not other people
>> at call that does not mean that I am alone.
>>
>> It seems that OFAC ISSUE WILL NOT BE TREATED since according to you there
>> is no support for that. That is not what we expected from your Group.
>>
>> I know that there must be other motivation than technical and
>> administrative that this question is rejected by you and your colleagues.
>>
>> However, this is an important issue and MUST be addressed .
>>
>> You can not ignore it even if there are few countries affected.
>>
>> I will not leave as such to be put at corner by you. I will insist and
>> ask for a written documents
>>
>> There is no relation with state assets and DNS .There were and still
>> there are other motivation to apply it and other motivation NOT to address
>> it. I do not know what are those motivations.
>>
>> At any meeting you as a participants push and sushi for your points and
>> taking considerable amount of time of the meeting since you have several
>> supporters.
>>
>> Pls kindly reconsider your position and be a little bit helpful and not
>> categorically object to my legitimate requiert .
>>
>> Tks for your kind attention and advice
>>
>> Kavouss
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 30, 2017 at 8:20 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Kavouss,
>>
>>
>>
>> I am responding to your various emails regarding your request that ICANN
>> Legal be required to prepare a comprehensive "written history background
>> Document" on OFAC and ICANN before meeting with the Jurisdiction Subgroup.
>> As you know, Samantha Eisner from ICANN Legal is scheduled to meet with the
>> Jurisdiction Subgroup on Tuesday, August 1 at 13:00.
>>
>>
>>
>> You suggested this course of action in the Jurisdiction Subgroup meeting
>> on July 26.  There was no other support for this course of action in the
>> Subgroup meeting.  At that time, I proposed that we would start by hearing
>> from ICANN legal in the meeting and engaging in Q&A with ICANN.  The
>> Subgroup would then be able to decide if we needed to ask ICANN further
>> questions, if we wanted written responses, etc.  There was no opposition to
>> this course of action, other than from yourself.  I believe this is all
>> reflected in the transcript.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will note that, subsequent to the meeting, no one from the Subgroup has
>> responded to your emails in support of your request.  In conjunction with
>> the results in the Subgroup meeting, I believe it fair to conclude that
>> there is not sufficient support for your request in the Subgroup.
>>
>>
>>
>> Therefore, we will proceed as agreed on the last call and documented in
>> the transcript.  We will hear from ICANN Legal and ask questions. The
>> Subgroup (and not any single participant) will then decide what, if any,
>> follow-up is needed.
>>
>>
>>
>> After this email, I will send out an email to the list requesting
>> questions for ICANN Legal, which we can provide them in advance of the
>> call.  I hope that you will contribute to this effort.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please note that there are times when professional and personal
>> obligations may prevent from responding to ICANN-related emails as quickly
>> as I might wish.  As with all of my ICANN activities, I am acting as
>> Rapporteur entirely on a volunteer basis, which is only possible if I meet
>> my obligations to my employer and our clients, devote some time to my
>> family, and attend to other responsibilities that may be pressing at any
>> given time.
>>
>>
>>
>> I look forward to your continued contributions to the work of the
>> Jurisdiction Subgroup.
>>
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg Shatan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 4:59 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <
>> kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Grec, I have no problem for moving that meeting by one day to
>> Tuseday.
>>
>> But I insist that before the meeting we need a written history background
>> Document as I have asked.
>>
>> I think this is absolutely necessary e to have a written doc. in addition
>> to verbal explanation by SAM ,
>>
>> I do not understand why my e-mail has not been replied.
>>
>> Pls kindly explain.
>>
>> Herb is kindly requested to monitor the process as I will take the non
>> reply formally to him and to the co-chairs that till now have not reacted
>> even though I copied  my correspendenc to them as well
>>
>> Regards
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Mueller, Milton L <milton at gatech.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>> The time change is OK with me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Hopefully we can devote all of the call to Q&A on OFAC and choice of law
>> and can dispense with the other stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>> We might also provide a channel for advance submission of questions so
>> that the opportunity to ask questions is fairly distributed among different
>> subgroup participants.
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. Milton L. Mueller
>>
>> Professor, School of Public Policy
>>
>> Georgia Institute of Technology
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* ws2-jurisdiction-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounc
>> es at icann.org] *On Behalf Of *Bernard Turcotte
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:26 PM
>> *To:* ws2-jurisdiction <ws2-jurisdiction at icann.org>; ACCT-Staff (
>> acct-staff at icann.org) <acct-staff at icann.org>
>> *Subject:* [Ws2-jurisdiction] CCWG-Accountability-WS2-Jurisdiction-Meeting
>> Scheduled for Wednesday 2 August 1300
>>
>>
>>
>> All,
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately Sam Eisner cannot join our Wednesday 2 August 1300 meeting
>> but could participate on Tuesday 1 August 1300 to cover the topics of OFAC
>> and Choice of Law from the ICANN perspective.
>>
>>
>>
>> As such Greg is suggesting that we move our scheduled meeting to Tuesday
>> 1 August 1300 and cancel the Wednesday 2 August 1300 meeting.
>>
>>
>>
>> Please advise acct-staff at icann.org by 23:59 UTC 27 July if you have
>> serious objections to this change of date.
>>
>>
>>
>> Greg will consider the responses and confirm his decision regarding this
>> by the EOB tomorrow to allow everyone to plan accordingly.
>>
>>
>>
>> For Greg Shatan
>>
>>
>>
>> Bernard Turcotte
>>
>> ICANN Support Staff to the CCWG-Accountability-WS2
>>
>>
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