Re: [lac-discuss-es] legalidad del proceso.
Querida Vanda,
Antes de un nuevo proceso, NECESITAMOS REGLAS CLARAS Y TRANSPARENTES
Un abrazo
Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:06 AM, vanda@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso.
> Desde: vanda@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Queridos amigos.
> Estoy mucho más preocupado ahora de si tenemos o no hay base legal para
> proceder con esta elección, ya después del proceso inicial - empezamos
> siguiendo el proceso original - que ya está cerrado?
> Creo que tenemos que hacer algunos pasos para convertirse en el desierto el
> proceso anterior y comenzar uno nuevo claro.
> O le gustaría que alguien del personal para darnos una declaración clara al
> respecto.
> gracias
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>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict of
>> interest.
>>
>> Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile :
>> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto
>> <https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto>
>>
>> "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and
>> regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for
>> Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of
>> Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New
>> Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium
>> Entrepreneurs' Mar de Plata division."
>>
>> So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in
>> LACRALO as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of Small
>> and Medium Entrepreneurs?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dev Anand Teelucksingh
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>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. And
>> do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
>>
>> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
>>
>> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with
>> the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman
>> and its representative to LACRALO.
>>
>> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development
>> services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet
>> thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's version
>> Internauta Usarios etc. etc.
>>
>> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of his
>> ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives his
>> income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT get
>> paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
>>
>> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to have
>> many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that Lance
>> cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when he's
>> Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN system -
>> just looks delusional for some of us.
>>
>> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one thing
>> or other.
>>
>> -Carlton
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>> Carlton A Samuels
>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799>
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>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch
>> <apisan@xxxxxxx <mailto:apisan@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Carlton,
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>> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of
>> interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was
>> in course.
>>
>> Simple. No rhetoric needed.
>>
>> Alejandro Pisanty
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>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> Facultad de QuÃmica UNAM
>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
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>> +52-1-5541444475 <tel:%2B52-1-5541444475> FROM ABROAD
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>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty>
>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614>
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty <http://twitter.com/apisanty>
>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org/>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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>> Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> [lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] en nombre de
>> Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>]
>> Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
>> Hasta: lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>> CC: Albert Daniels
>> Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large
>> Staff
>>
>> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is
>> debilitating.
>>
>> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot
>> depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must
>> by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
>>
>> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too
>> much and I must break my silence.
>>
>> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
>>
>> Definitions of bullshit
>> noun
>> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
>> verb
>> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
>>
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>> â??It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff
>> in this instance and I will tell you why.
>>
>> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat
>> it here for effect.
>>
>> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where
>> this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other
>> criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. â??
>>
>> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is,
>> well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
>>
>> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination
>> portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into
>> question.
>>
>> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come
>> along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a
>> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the
>> first place!
>>
>> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other
>> RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
>>
>> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after
>> trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of
>> reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
>>
>> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good
>> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
>>
>> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague
>> from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I
>> enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had
>> performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does
>> not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the
>> region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
>>
>> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the
>> path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being
>> de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
>>
>> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the
>> At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance
>> Hinds.
>>
>> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we
>> have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
>>
>> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now
>> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety'
>> raised!
>>
>> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the
>> guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at
>> the switch.
>>
>> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating
>> conditions are applied.
>>
>> Go figure.
>>
>> -Carlton Samuels
>>
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