Re: [lac-discuss-es] legalidad del proceso.



Querida Vanda,

Antes de un nuevo proceso, NECESITAMOS REGLAS CLARAS Y TRANSPARENTES

Un abrazo


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> On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:06 AM, vanda@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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> Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso. 
> Desde: vanda@xxxxxxxxxxxx
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> Queridos amigos. 
> Estoy mucho más preocupado ahora de si tenemos o no hay base legal para 
> proceder con esta elección, ya después del proceso inicial - empezamos 
> siguiendo el proceso original - que ya está cerrado? 
> Creo que tenemos que hacer algunos pasos para convertirse en el desierto el 
> proceso anterior y comenzar uno nuevo claro. 
> O le gustaría que alguien del personal para darnos una declaración clara al 
> respecto. 
> gracias 
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> Vanda 
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>> On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy 
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict of 
>> interest.
>> 
>> Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile : 
>> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto 
>> <https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto>
>> 
>> "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and 
>> regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for 
>> Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of 
>> Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New 
>> Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium 
>> Entrepreneurs' Mar de Plata division."
>> 
>> So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in 
>> LACRALO as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of Small 
>> and Medium Entrepreneurs? 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Dev Anand Teelucksingh
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx 
>> <mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. And 
>> do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
>> 
>> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
>> 
>> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with 
>> the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman 
>> and its representative to LACRALO.
>> 
>> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development 
>> services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide.  DevNet 
>> thusly represents end user interests.  Think of Devnet as Guyana's version 
>> Internauta Usarios etc. etc. 
>> 
>> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of his 
>> ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies.  He derives his 
>> income, his living wage, principally from that business.  He DOES NOT get 
>> paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
>> 
>> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to have 
>> many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit.  To say that Lance 
>> cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when he's 
>> Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN system - 
>> just looks delusional for some of us.
>> 
>> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one thing 
>> or other. 
>> 
>> -Carlton
>> 
>> 
>> ==============================
>> Carlton A Samuels
>> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799>
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>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch 
>> <apisan@xxxxxxx <mailto:apisan@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> Carlton,
>> 
>> 
>> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of 
>> interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was 
>> in course. 
>> 
>> Simple. No rhetoric needed.
>> 
>> Alejandro Pisanty
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>> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
>>     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> Facultad de Química UNAM
>> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>> 
>> +52-1-5541444475 <tel:%2B52-1-5541444475> FROM ABROAD
>> 
>> +525541444475 <tel:%2B525541444475> DESDE MÃ?XICO SMS +525541444475 
>> <tel:%2B525541444475> 
>> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com <http://pisanty.blogspot.com/>
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty>
>> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, 
>> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 
>> <http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614>
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty <http://twitter.com/apisanty>
>> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org/>
>> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  . 
>> 
>> Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>> [lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] en nombre de 
>> Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx 
>> <mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>]
>> Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
>> Hasta: lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> <mailto:lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> 
>> CC: Albert Daniels
>> Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large 
>> Staff
>> 
>> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is 
>> debilitating.
>> 
>> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot 
>> depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must 
>> by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
>> 
>> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too 
>> much and I must break my silence. 
>> 
>> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit: 
>> 
>> Definitions of bullshit
>> noun
>> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
>> verb
>> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
>> 
>> 
>> â??It is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff 
>> in this instance and I will tell you why.
>> 
>> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat 
>> it here for effect. 
>> 
>> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where 
>> this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other 
>> criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. â??
>> 
>> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, 
>> well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.  
>> 
>> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination 
>> portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into 
>> question. 
>> 
>> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come 
>> along, slowly.  That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a 
>> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the 
>> first place!  
>> 
>> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other 
>> RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
>> 
>> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after 
>> trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of 
>> reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
>> 
>> Now, to the hypocrites.  I ask your forgiveness for not being a good 
>> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy. 
>> 
>> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague 
>> from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed.  I 
>> enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had 
>> performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does 
>> not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the 
>> region to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
>> 
>> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the 
>> path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being 
>> de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
>> 
>> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place.  And the 
>> At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance 
>> Hinds.
>> 
>> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we 
>> have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
>> 
>> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now 
>> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety' 
>> raised! 
>> 
>> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the 
>> guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at 
>> the switch.
>> 
>> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating 
>> conditions are applied.
>> 
>> Go figure.
>> 
>> -Carlton Samuels  
>> 
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