Re: [lac-discuss-es] - Price caps - was: The Case for Regulatory Capture at ICANN | Review Signal Blog
Saludos cordiales,
alberto
El 29/6/19 09:41, "lac-discuss-es en nombre de Roberto Gaetano"
<lac-discuss-es-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx en nombre de
roberto_gaetano@xxxxxxxxxxx> escribió:
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Tema:Re: - Price caps - was: The Case for
Regulatory Capture at ICANN | Review Signal Blog
Desde:Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Buen dÃa / noche a todos.
Habiendo leÃdo cuidadosamente las contribuciones de Karl y Evan sobre este
tema, debo decir que me inclino más por el lado de Evan. Pero esto es, en
general, irrelevante para lo que quiero decir.
Lo que me parece desafortunado es que parece que no podemos hacer que estas
dos grandes mentes en la misma mesa colaboren para encontrar una solución
mutuamente aceptable en lugar de insistir en hacer sus propios puntos: que la
otra parte refuta con igual insistencia.
Creo que ya todos hemos entendido los puntos. La pregunta es si tenemos una
posible mediación que sea aceptable para ambas partes que tienen un terreno
común en la atención hacia la comunidad diversa de usuarios.
¿Podemos tratar de pensar fuera de la caja?
¿Podemos proponer un precio máximo que diferencie entre los registros
existentes y los nuevos registros?
¿Podemos proponer analizar qué significa "uso" y "no uso" y, en lugar de
un aumento fijo en las tarifas, tenemos una tarifa diversificada según el uso
(el no uso está sujeto a una tarifa más alta, obviamente)?
¿Podemos proponer establecer lÃmites para el mercado secundario, como por
ejemplo un lÃmite para la relación de compra / venta?
¿Podemos proponer que la tarifa de dominio no sea fija sino que esté
relacionada con el valor de mercado del dominio?
Sé que la mayorÃa, si no todos, los ejemplos que estoy dando serán
probados (o supuestos) impracticables, pero eso no deberÃa impedirnos hacer
una lluvia de ideas sobre lo que podrÃa ser una posición común de ALAC,
incluso fuera del faldón de las limitaciones percibidas de la ICANN.
proporcionándonos, estoy seguro de que los demás tendrán mejores ideas para
debatir en busca de una propuesta común en lugar del básicamente "bueno,
realmente no sabemos", ese es el único resultado posible si solo estamos en
contraposición con El uno al otro.
En mi opinión, durante demasiado tiempo hemos sido tomados como rehenes de
una valla de estacas definida externamente.Es hora de que comencemos a pensar
si hay algo que se debe decir y hacer para los usuarios de Internet en su
propio interés, y no solo como una reacción a los temas que son de interés
para otras partes de la comunidad de múltiples partes interesadas.
Y tengo la convicción (¿ilusión?) De que la reunión de ATLAS III en
pocos meses puede ser la piedra angular para construir una estrategia para ALAC
que esté totalmente enfocada en los usuarios de Internet.
Aclamaciones,
Roberto
> On 29.06.2019, at 02:03, Karl Auerbach <karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>
> On 6/28/19 2:36 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>
>> Here's another, anecdotal datapoint: I have been involved in the
Internet for nearly as long. But it's been helping family, friends, small
businesses, colleges, religious institutions, and refugees in camps. I've
worked with entrepreneurs both new and established, struggling to make a
presence on the Internet and finding that their first 20 choices were only
available at an aftermarket premium. The result is that they either had to:
>> * change their brand name to suit the available names (this has
>> happened more than once)
>> * agonize over whether to settle for a domain name using hyphens
>> * pay a lesser premium in a new TLD they don't know is fully reachable
>> * resign themselves to having a non-memorable (ie, shitty) domain and
>> using other strategies to lead people to them.
>
> I agree that it is sad that we don't live in a world of pink ponies,
unicorns, perfect equity, and no competition for resources.
>
> Your people want "brand names" - which I read as a synonym for
"trademark" - and find that someone else has already registered it?
>
> That's pretty normal life in the land of trade names. Somebody got there
first. Somebody else go there too late. That is not speculation, that is not
abuse.
>
> Athol Fugard wrote that "the saddest words ... are 'too late'."
>
> Or are you arguing that there is some sort of elevated goodness attribute
that should allow "family, friends, small businesses, colleges, religious
institutions, and refugees" to preempt prior uses? And who shall be the judge
that weighs applicants to measure who is the more worthy?
>
> (Given that my wife and I make large contributions of our time, labor,
and money to non-profit and charitable organizations, we might find that kind
of preemptive power useful. But I doubt that such a thing would always be
perceived as fair or just by the prior users.)
>
> (And I do wonder about the inclusion of "small business" and
"entrepreneurs" in that list - I'd love to have my small businesses to have a
power of preemption. And in the several start-ups that I've done I would have
welcomed the ability to take a domain name away from another prior user.)
>
> Are you focusing on the notion of "use"? If so, what is "use" of a
domain name? Must it resolve - for any query from any source - to an IP
address, or a TXT record or something? If that requirement were put into place
you can bet that every registrar will quickly deploy a "sufficient to pass
muster" resolver service for its customers to use.
>
> (Since you mentioned entrepreneurs - A common practice in start ups is to
register a portfolio of domain names as candidates for products or corporate
names, to hold them in private for several years, and then to sell off the ones
that were not selected to be put into play. Does that constitute a "use" or an
"abuse"?)
>
> Regarding hyphenated or even non-semantic names - Anyone these days who
depends on humans making semantic sense out of a domain name is living in days
of fading glory. Search engines, especially when embedded in browser address
bars, have long ago started to diminish the use of domain names as carriers of
semantic content. And the rise of application handles such as facebook or
twitter names has diminished that further.
>
> --karl--
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