Re: [lac-discuss-en] legality of the process.

To: Jacqueline Morris <jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] legality of the process.
From: "Carlos RaÃl G." <crg@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2015 06:04:41 -0600

Thank you Jacqueline!

I was not present in the first round of voting. Could you point out if and 
which of the rules and/or step were not properly followed? 

Than you very much and have a nice weekend

Carlos RaÃl GutiÃrrez
+506 8837 7176 (New Number)
Enviado desde mi iPhone

> El jul 25, 2015, a las 4:46, Jacqueline Morris <jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
> escribiÃ:
> 
> They are clear and transparent. Whether they are followed or not...  see the 
> analysis here and check the link for the RoP sections that are referenced.
> http://atlarge.icann.org/en/node/1793
> 
> Sincerely
> Jacqueline
> 
> Jacqueline A. Morris
> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. 
> (after Chris Lehmann )
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 1:21 PM, <crg@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>  Subject: Re: legality of the process.
>>  From: crg@xxxxxxxxxxx
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>>  Dear Vanda,
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>>  Before a new process, RULES NEED CLEAR AND TRANSPARENT
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>>  A hug
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>>  Ral Carlos Gutierrez
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>> > On Jul 24, 2015, at 11:06 AM, vanda@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
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>> > Asunto: Re: legalidad del proceso.
>> > Desde: vanda@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Queridos amigos.
>> > Estoy mucho mÃs preocupado ahora de si tenemos o no hay base legal para 
>> > proceder con esta elecciÃn, ya despuÃs del proceso inicial - empezamos 
>> > siguiendo el proceso original - que ya estÃ cerrado?
>> > Creo que tenemos que hacer algunos pasos para convertirse en el desierto 
>> > el proceso anterior y comenzar uno nuevo claro.
>> > O le gustarÃa que alguien del personal para darnos una declaraciÃn clara 
>> > al respecto.
>> > gracias
>> >
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>> >
>> > Vanda
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>> > Skype: vanda.scartezini
>> > e-mail: vanda@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>> >
>> >> On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@xxxxxxxxx> 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy 
>> >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict 
>> >> of interest.
>> >>
>> >> Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile : 
>> >> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto 
>> >> <https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto>
>> >>
>> >> "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and 
>> >> regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for 
>> >> Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of 
>> >> Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New 
>> >> Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium 
>> >> Entrepreneurs' Mar de Plata division."
>> >>
>> >> So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in 
>> >> LACRALO as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of 
>> >> Small and Medium Entrepreneurs?
>> >>
>> >> Regards,
>> >>
>> >> Dev Anand Teelucksingh
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels 
>> >> <carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. 
>> >> And do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
>> >>
>> >> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
>> >>
>> >> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with 
>> >> the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman 
>> >> and its representative to LACRALO.
>> >>
>> >> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development 
>> >> services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide.  DevNet 
>> >> thusly represents end user interests.  Think of Devnet as Guyana's 
>> >> version Internauta Usarios etc. etc.
>> >>
>> >> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of 
>> >> his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies.  He derives 
>> >> his income, his living wage, principally from that business.  He DOES NOT 
>> >> get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
>> >>
>> >> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to 
>> >> have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit.  To say that 
>> >> Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when 
>> >> he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN 
>> >> system - just looks delusional for some of us.
>> >>
>> >> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one 
>> >> thing or other.
>> >>
>> >> -Carlton
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ==============================
>> >> Carlton A Samuels
>> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799>
>> >> Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround
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>> >> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch 
>> >> <apisan@xxxxxxx <mailto:apisan@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
>> >> Carlton,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict 
>> >> of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election 
>> >> was in course.
>> >>
>> >> Simple. No rhetoric needed.
>> >>
>> >> Alejandro Pisanty
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
>> >>     Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
>> >> Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM
>> >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
>> >>
>> >> +52-1-5541444475 <tel:%2B52-1-5541444475> FROM ABROAD
>> >>
>> >> +525541444475 <tel:%2B525541444475> DESDE MÃâXICO SMS +525541444475 
>> >> <tel:%2B525541444475>
>> >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com <http://pisanty.blogspot.com/>
>> >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty 
>> >> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty>
>> >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, 
>> >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 
>> >> <http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614>
>> >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty <http://twitter.com/apisanty>
>> >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org <http://www.isoc.org/>
>> >> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
>> >>
>> >> Desde: lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> >> <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
>> >> [lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> >> <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>] en nombre de 
>> >> Carlton Samuels [carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx 
>> >> <mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>]
>> >> Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
>> >> Hasta: lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>> >> <mailto:lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> >>
>> >> CC: Albert Daniels
>> >> Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against 
>> >> At-Large Staff
>> >>
>> >> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is 
>> >> debilitating.
>> >>
>> >> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot 
>> >> depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I 
>> >> must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
>> >>
>> >> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just 
>> >> too much and I must break my silence.
>> >>
>> >> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
>> >>
>> >> Definitions of bullshit
>> >> noun
>> >> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
>> >> verb
>> >> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ÃââIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large 
>> >> staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
>> >>
>> >> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will 
>> >> repeat it here for effect.
>> >>
>> >> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and 
>> >> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all 
>> >> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. 
>> >> Ãââ
>> >>
>> >> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is, 
>> >> well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
>> >>
>> >> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the 
>> >> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election 
>> >> process into question.
>> >>
>> >> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come 
>> >> along, slowly.  That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a 
>> >> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the 
>> >> first place!
>> >>
>> >> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for 
>> >> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
>> >>
>> >> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after 
>> >> trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of 
>> >> reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
>> >>
>> >> Now, to the hypocrites.  I ask your forgiveness for not being a good 
>> >> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
>> >>
>> >> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague 
>> >> from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. 
>> >>  I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact 
>> >> she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year 
>> >> term does not give the region the benefit of her service and expertise 
>> >> nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very important 
>> >> ICANN councils.
>> >>
>> >> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy 
>> >> the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being 
>> >> de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do 
>> >> then.
>> >>
>> >> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place.  And 
>> >> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for 
>> >> Lance Hinds.
>> >>
>> >> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because 
>> >> we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
>> >>
>> >> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now 
>> >> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 
>> >> 'impropriety' raised!
>> >>
>> >> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the 
>> >> guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep 
>> >> at the switch.
>> >>
>> >> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other 
>> >> operating conditions are applied.
>> >>
>> >> Go figure.
>> >>
>> >> -Carlton Samuels
>> >>
>> >> ==============================
>> >> Carlton A Samuels
>> >> Mobile: 876-818-1799 <tel:876-818-1799>
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