[CCWG-Accountability] High Level Statement for CWG-Stewardship

Thu Jan 8 12:27:23 UTC 2015

I think that this re-working of the sentence resolves my concerns.  I might
suggest using "such" instead of "the aforementioned".  Thank you for this.

I also agree collaboration is key, and that only becomes clearer as we
progress.

Greg

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:02 AM, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke> wrote:

> Hallo All,
>
> Once the proposed changes are addressed, I support circulation of the
> statement by the chairs.
>
> Regards
>
> Fiona Asonga
>
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> *From: *"Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> *To: *"Thomas Rickert" <rickert at anwaelte.de>
> *Cc: *accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> *Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:02:37 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [CCWG-Accountability] High Level Statement for
> CWG-Stewardship
>
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> On 7 Jan 2015 20:50, "Thomas Rickert" <rickert at anwaelte.de> wrote:
> >
> > Greg, Matthew and Robin,
> > thanks for your comments and sharing your concerns.
> >
>
> >
> > We could amend the sentence as follows:
> >
> >> Unless the CWG-Stewardship specifies otherwise, Board decisions that
> are directly related to IANA Functions COUD BE ADDED TO the remit of THE
> AFOREMENTIONED independent mechanisms for the review and redress of
> decisions of the ICANN Board of Directors, which the CCWG-Accountability
> may address in Work Stream 1.
> >
> Considering that the statement is trying to ascertain who does what, I
> agree with the rewording.
> Minor- please note the spelling "could" also the word "aforementioned" may
> not be necessary when read within the context of the entire message
>
> >
> > I hope this helps clarify the issue.
> >
> Thanks
>
> > Finally, please do rest assured that we seek to work with the CWG
> closely. My personal view is that collaboration is key.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Thomas
> >
> > --
> > thomas-rickert.tel
> >
> > Am 07.01.2015 um 19:36 schrieb Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Matthew,
> >>
> >> Thanks for calling out that sentence.  Assuming "such mechanisms" means
> "independent mechanisms enabling to review and, when appropriate, redress,
> decisions from the ICANN Board of Directors," which the co-Chairs say the
> CCWG is considering addressing in WS1, the full sense of the sentence
> (editing slightly for clarity) is:
> >>
> >> Unless the CWG-Stewardship specifies otherwise, Board decisions that
> are directly related to IANA Functions will be within the remit
> of independent mechanisms for the review and redress of decisions of the
> ICANN Board of Directors, which the CCWG-Accountability may address in Work
> Stream 1.
> >>
> >> This is an interesting, and potentially troubling, statement.  It
> appears to contradict the Charters of both the CWG and the CCWG,  The CWG
> Charter states "Accountability for the administration of the IANA functions
> (i.e., implementation and operational accountability), however, is properly
> within the scope of this working group."  The CCWG Charter states
> "Accountability for the administration of the IANA functions (i.e.,
> implementation and operational accountability) is not within the scope of
> the CCWG-Accountability as it is being dealt with by the CWG-Stewardship.
> >>
> >> This creates an awkward situation on several levels:
> >>
> >> Can this action be reconciled with the Charters?  In other words, does
> "implementation and operational accountability" for the "administration of
> the IANA functions" include Board "decisions directly related to IANA
> functions"?
> >> If this is properly within the CWG's scope, can the CCWG change both
> group's scope without amending the Charters?
> >> Why does this say that the CCWG will proceed this way unless the CWG
> objects, rather than seeking agreement from the CWG?
> >>
> >> IF the CWG agrees (or more accurately, fails to object), then the
> CCWG's WS1 will include mechanisms for review and redress of Board
> decisions directly related to IANA functions.  Does this mean that the CWG
> is ceding its ability to create such mechanisms as part of its proposal,
> and that any such accountability must await the CCWG's work?  Or does this
> mean that the CWG will also create such mechanisms, which could be
> overlapping and contradictory of the CCWG's mechanisms?  Or should the CWG
> object?
> >>
> >> How can this be reconciled with the Independent Appeals Panel proposed
> by the CWG in its Draft Proposal?  Should this be limited to appeals of
> IANA action/inaction and not address Board decisisons relating to IANA
> action/inaction?  Is this a sensible dividing line?
> >>
> >> What is the proper way for the CWG and CCWG to address this?
> Collaborate? Draw clearer lines of demarcation? Shift responsibilities away
> from the model contemplated in the Charter?
> >>
> >> Very interesting.
> >>
> >> Greg Shatan
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thank Grace
> >>>
> >>> I am not sure what the intent of this sentence is:
> >>>
> >>> Unless the CWG-Stewardship specifies otherwise, decisions that are
> directly related to IANA Functions shall be within the remit of such
> mechanisms.
> >>>
> >>> Could we not delete the above and add the following on from the prior
> sentence as follows (if it captures the intent of the above):
> >>>
> >>>  “The CCWG-Accountability is therefore considering addressing this
> need in its Work Stream 1 (WS1) and will keep the CWG stewardship apprised
> of any potential IANA-related implications.”
> >>>
> >>> Matthew
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 1/7/2015 9:40 AM, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Attached is the High Level Statement discussed on the call. The
> chairs plan to submit at 15:00 UTC. Please provide your comments.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Grace
> >>>>
> >>>> From: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
> >>>> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:24 PM
> >>>> To: Accountability Cross Community <
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> >>>> Subject: [CCWG-Accountability] CCWG ACCT call details 06 Jan 12:00 UTC
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The notes and Adobe Connect recordings and transcript (soon) for the
> CCWG ACCT Call on 06 January are available here:
> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=51414985
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ·       Action Item: Co-Chairs
> will recap WS1 and WS2 items on mailing list and review for approval at next meeting
> >>>>
> >>>> ·
> Action Item: Colleagues to provide comments on the list in response to the document.  Proposed edits are welcome.  Goal to develop a common view on
> >>>>
> >>>>
> scoping.  Will be an agenda item for the next call and the Frankfurt meeting.  Public interest issues, ccTLD concerns and other issues to be identified.
> >>>>
> >>>> ·
> Action Item: The statement will be published on the CCWG list for further comment.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> The next call is on Tuesday, 13 January 2015 at 06:00 UTC.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Best,
> >>>>
> >>>> Brenda
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
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