[CCWG-Accountability] High Level Statement for CWG-Stewardship

Thu Jan 8 13:31:49 UTC 2015

Grace,
Thanks.

+1 Fiona
Re-worked sentences and correction before submission.
Regards.
-Akinbo.

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:

> I think that this re-working of the sentence resolves my concerns.  I
> might suggest using "such" instead of "the aforementioned".  Thank you for
> this.
>
> I also agree collaboration is key, and that only becomes clearer as we
> progress.
>
> Greg
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:02 AM, Fiona Asonga <fasonga at kixp.or.ke> wrote:
>
>> Hallo All,
>>
>> Once the proposed changes are addressed, I support circulation of the
>> statement by the chairs.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Fiona Asonga
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Seun Ojedeji" <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>> *To: *"Thomas Rickert" <rickert at anwaelte.de>
>> *Cc: *accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> *Sent: *Thursday, January 8, 2015 8:02:37 AM
>> *Subject: *Re: [CCWG-Accountability] High Level Statement for
>> CWG-Stewardship
>>
>>
>> sent from Google nexus 4
>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>> On 7 Jan 2015 20:50, "Thomas Rickert" <rickert at anwaelte.de> wrote:
>> >
>> > Greg, Matthew and Robin,
>> > thanks for your comments and sharing your concerns.
>> >
>>
>> >
>> > We could amend the sentence as follows:
>> >
>> >> Unless the CWG-Stewardship specifies otherwise, Board decisions that
>> are directly related to IANA Functions COUD BE ADDED TO the remit of THE
>> AFOREMENTIONED independent mechanisms for the review and redress of
>> decisions of the ICANN Board of Directors, which the CCWG-Accountability
>> may address in Work Stream 1.
>> >
>> Considering that the statement is trying to ascertain who does what, I
>> agree with the rewording.
>> Minor- please note the spelling "could" also the word "aforementioned"
>> may not be necessary when read within the context of the entire message
>>
>> >
>> > I hope this helps clarify the issue.
>> >
>> Thanks
>>
>> > Finally, please do rest assured that we seek to work with the CWG
>> closely. My personal view is that collaboration is key.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Thomas
>> >
>> > --
>> > thomas-rickert.tel
>> >
>> > Am 07.01.2015 um 19:36 schrieb Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>:
>> >
>> >> Matthew,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for calling out that sentence.  Assuming "such mechanisms"
>> means "independent mechanisms enabling to review and, when appropriate,
>> redress, decisions from the ICANN Board of Directors," which the co-Chairs
>> say the CCWG is considering addressing in WS1, the full sense of the
>> sentence (editing slightly for clarity) is:
>> >>
>> >> Unless the CWG-Stewardship specifies otherwise, Board decisions that
>> are directly related to IANA Functions will be within the remit
>> of independent mechanisms for the review and redress of decisions of the
>> ICANN Board of Directors, which the CCWG-Accountability may address in Work
>> Stream 1.
>> >>
>> >> This is an interesting, and potentially troubling, statement.  It
>> appears to contradict the Charters of both the CWG and the CCWG,  The CWG
>> Charter states "Accountability for the administration of the IANA functions
>> (i.e., implementation and operational accountability), however, is properly
>> within the scope of this working group."  The CCWG Charter states
>> "Accountability for the administration of the IANA functions (i.e.,
>> implementation and operational accountability) is not within the scope of
>> the CCWG-Accountability as it is being dealt with by the CWG-Stewardship.
>> >>
>> >> This creates an awkward situation on several levels:
>> >>
>> >> Can this action be reconciled with the Charters?  In other words, does
>> "implementation and operational accountability" for the "administration of
>> the IANA functions" include Board "decisions directly related to IANA
>> functions"?
>> >> If this is properly within the CWG's scope, can the CCWG change both
>> group's scope without amending the Charters?
>> >> Why does this say that the CCWG will proceed this way unless the CWG
>> objects, rather than seeking agreement from the CWG?
>> >>
>> >> IF the CWG agrees (or more accurately, fails to object), then the
>> CCWG's WS1 will include mechanisms for review and redress of Board
>> decisions directly related to IANA functions.  Does this mean that the CWG
>> is ceding its ability to create such mechanisms as part of its proposal,
>> and that any such accountability must await the CCWG's work?  Or does this
>> mean that the CWG will also create such mechanisms, which could be
>> overlapping and contradictory of the CCWG's mechanisms?  Or should the CWG
>> object?
>> >>
>> >> How can this be reconciled with the Independent Appeals Panel proposed
>> by the CWG in its Draft Proposal?  Should this be limited to appeals of
>> IANA action/inaction and not address Board decisisons relating to IANA
>> action/inaction?  Is this a sensible dividing line?
>> >>
>> >> What is the proper way for the CWG and CCWG to address this?
>> Collaborate? Draw clearer lines of demarcation? Shift responsibilities away
>> from the model contemplated in the Charter?
>> >>
>> >> Very interesting.
>> >>
>> >> Greg Shatan
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 6:13 AM, Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank Grace
>> >>>
>> >>> I am not sure what the intent of this sentence is:
>> >>>
>> >>> Unless the CWG-Stewardship specifies otherwise, decisions that are
>> directly related to IANA Functions shall be within the remit of such
>> mechanisms.
>> >>>
>> >>> Could we not delete the above and add the following on from the prior
>> sentence as follows (if it captures the intent of the above):
>> >>>
>> >>>  “The CCWG-Accountability is therefore considering addressing this
>> need in its Work Stream 1 (WS1) and will keep the CWG stewardship apprised
>> of any potential IANA-related implications.”
>> >>>
>> >>> Matthew
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On 1/7/2015 9:40 AM, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Attached is the High Level Statement discussed on the call. The
>> chairs plan to submit at 15:00 UTC. Please provide your comments.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> Grace
>> >>>>
>> >>>> From: Brenda Brewer <brenda.brewer at icann.org>
>> >>>> Date: Tuesday, January 6, 2015 3:24 PM
>> >>>> To: Accountability Cross Community <
>> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>> >>>> Subject: [CCWG-Accountability] CCWG ACCT call details 06 Jan 12:00
>> UTC
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Dear all,
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The notes and Adobe Connect recordings and transcript (soon) for the
>> CCWG ACCT Call on 06 January are available here:
>> https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=51414985
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ·       Action Item: Co-Chairs
>> will recap WS1 and WS2 items on mailing list and review for approval at next meeting
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ·
>> Action Item: Colleagues to provide comments on the list in response to the document.  Proposed edits are welcome.  Goal to develop a common view on
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> scoping.  Will be an agenda item for the next call and the Frankfurt meeting.  Public interest issues, ccTLD concerns and other issues to be identified.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ·
>> Action Item: The statement will be published on the CCWG list for further comment.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The next call is on Tuesday, 13 January 2015 at 06:00 UTC.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Brenda
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
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