[CCWG-Accountability] Work Streams definition

Fri Jan 16 12:16:24 UTC 2015

+1 Matthew
+1 Roelof even better

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On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>
wrote:

>   Dear Paul, Kavouss, Tijani, Mathieu, all,
>
>  I think Paul’s „*I think the way it describes types of mechanisms in the
> “new” definition is exactly what needs to be in place before the
> Stewardship transition takes place.*” clearly shows the difference
> between te charter’s version and the „elaborated” one: the latter narrows
> down on a specific group of mechanisms (that when in place or committed to
> would etc..). That can be good, if we agree. On the other side, it might
> exclude mechanisms that the charter version includes (mechanisms *other*
> than that when in place or committed to would etc..).
> To illustrate my point: a review mechanism that has to be in place before
> IANA stewardship transition is in scope with the charter phrasing, but does
> not "*provide the community with assurance that any accountability
>  mechanism that would further enhance ICANN's accountability would be
> implemented if it had consensus support from the community.**”*
>
>  It might look like a compromise, but it is not intended to be, how about:
>
>    *Work Stream 1: focused on mechanisms enhancing ICANN accountability
> that must be in place or committed to within the time frame of the IANA
> Stewardship Transition, including mechanisms that, when in place or
> committed to, would provide the community with assurance that any
> accountability  mechanism that would further enhance ICANN's accountability
> would be implemented if it had consensus support from the community. (even
> if it were to encounter ICANN management resistance or if it were against
> the interest of ICANN as a corporate entity)*
>
>  I agree, it’s one terribly long sentence. I submit that we can leave out
> the bit I put in brackets, because the phrasing already correctly covers
> the „even if” situations implicitly.
>
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Roelof
>
>   From: Paul Rosenzweig <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>
> Date: donderdag 15 januari 2015 15:22
> To: 'Tijani BEN JEMAA' <tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn>, "
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org" <
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Work Streams definition
>
>   Respetful disagreement.  I think the way it describes types of
> mechanisms in the “new” definition is exactly what needs to be in place
> before the Stewardship transition takes place.  Put another way, I think
> that the exposition in WS1 precisely describes the commitments that MUST be
> made before a transition is allowed to occur.  More importantly, I think
> there is growing consensus across the community that this is so.  To state
> it affirmatively – in the absence “mechanisms [that] would provide the
> community with confidence that any accountability  mechanism that would
> further enhance ICANN's accountability would be implemented if it had
> consensus support from the community” the IANA Functions transition should
> not occur.
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> *From:* Tijani BEN JEMAA [mailto:tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn
> <tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:53 AM
> *To:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> *Subject:* [CCWG-Accountability] Work Streams definition
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> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I read again the new proposed definition of the Work Streams, and I found
> it too different from the one in our charter:
>
>
>
> In the charter:
>
> ·        *Work Stream 1*: focused on mechanisms enhancing ICANN
> accountability that must be in place or committed to within the time frame
> of the IANA Stewardship Transition;
>
> ·        *Work Stream 2*: focused on addressing accountability topics for
> which a timeline for developing solutions and full implementation may
> extend beyond the IANA Stewardship Transition
>
>
>
> The new proposal:
>
> ·        *Work Stream 1* mechanisms are those that, when in place or
> committed to, would provide the community with confidence that any
> accountability  mechanism that would further enhance ICANN's accountability
> would be implemented if it had consensus support from the community, even
> if it were to encounter ICANN management resistance or if it were against
> the interest of ICANN as a corporate entity.
>
> ·        All other consensus items could be in *Work Stream 2*, provided
> there are mechanisms in WS1 adequate to force implementation of WS2 items
> despite resistance from ICANN management and board.
>
>
>
> I don’t believe that we are allowed to change any part of the charter
> without going back to the chartering organizations and ask for their
> approval.
>
>
>
> On the other hand, the separation of WS 1 and WS 2 was for the purpose of
> having the accountability mechanisms necessary before the transition done
> in time, and the new definition doesn’t satisfy this requirement
>
>
>
> I would prefer stay with the charter definition for all those reasons
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