[CCWG-Accountability] Level of Discourse / Rules of Order

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

Dear Co-Chairs,

I accept the gentleman's apology as unqualified. Even though it is, in fact, qualified by the ad-hominem defense.

I have already agreed with the gentleman that we need to work on making access for anyone, in particular from developing countries, easier/better. This is not specific to the CCWG-Accountability, but is an Accountability issue of general application.

Given my technical background or rather me chairing and organizing ICANN's TechDay I am perhaps actually in a position to do something to focus efforts. 

It is my understanding however, that one should in fact address the (co-)chairs in particular of one has issues with third parties, and not the party concerned directly.

Not that I can find anything in the Charter, the Bylaws or the Code of Conduct requiring a a specific tone or language. 

greetings, el

Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini

> On Jan 16, 2015, at 09:34, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear Doctor,
> 1.Thank you very much for your comment.
> 2.The connection problem stemmed from wrong information  provided by hotel operator on telephone number to be dialed  .After I indicated the name of the hotel, ICANN staff very kindly identified the correct number and I was connected after a long waiting time and desperate efforts for situation that neither me nor the adobe  connection praetor were to be criticized
> 3.,However,once connected , the  communication quality was very poor and for most of the time I did not hear properly the discussion and had to repeat the points that I wished to raise.
> If due to the circumstances mentioned I inadvertently disrupted the chair or due the poor quality of the communication had to speak loudly, I regret for that and inform that in no way was intentional or willful to do so.
> 4. I remember that we two have  had some point of disagreement in our previous e-mail exchange. However, I do not think that  such disagreements on points should result in the statement that you have made the tone and language  of which is not friendly .
> Regards
> Kavouss
> 
> 
> 2015-01-15 23:46 GMT+01:00 Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na>:
>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>> 
>> I wish to file a formal complaint about the disorder during the last
>> telephone call and demand that this be dealt with forthwith.
>> 
>> After an apparent technical issue regarding Mr Arasteh, having being
>> allegedly repeatedly phoned under an incorrect number, when he
>> finally connected to the bridge he raised his voice and repeatedly
>> interrupted the chair, while not having the floor/having been
>> recognized.
>> 
>> In 25 year of dealing with this stuff I have never experienced an
>> outburst like the one displayed by the ICG Liaison and Participant.
>> 
>> It is furthermore disturbing to me since the gentleman is a
>> professional negotiator of 40 years experience and a GAC
>> representative.
>> 
>> I also believe that such conduct is unacceptable under ICANN's rules
>> of behavior but in any case it is not acceptable to me and I demand
>> that steps are taken to prevent this from happening again.
>> 
>> Non withstanding the above I suppose an investigation into the
>> allegations of him being unable to be contacted might be in order,
>> and I for one look forward into find out what actually happened and
>> what can be done to prevent this from happening again, if anything.
>> 
>> 
>> That said, I notice with alarming regularly issues with individuals
>> being unable to access Adobe Connect and/or connecting to the call.
>> 
>> This is equally disturbing and hence I would appreciate if this
>> could be looked into as well.
>> 
>> I for one am setting aside some time on TechDay on Monday of the
>> ICANN meeting in Singapore, for an Adobe Workshop of sorts, where we
>> could among other issues demonstrate how one can not only listen but
>> also speak (directly) through the net, ie without requiring a dial
>> in/out.
>> 
>> Then there is the possibility to use Skype's dial out which works,
>> free of charge to US based toll free numbers.
>> 
>> Finally, I use a privately owned Asterix switchboard via a (Bria 3)
>> soft-phone on my Mac to dial a UK based toll free number, which
>> works extremely well with very little bandwidth from (the developing
>> country) Namibia.
>> 
>> I have asked Bart Boswinkel a while back to look into setting up SIP
>> access of sort, I could envisage an Asterix server which only allows
>> the dialing of toll free numbers (related to ICANN work).  I have
>> not heard back from him, yet.
>> 
>> 
>> This is not meant as criticism, in particular not of the chairs, who
>> have been bending over backwards in order to be inclusive.
>> 
>> greetings, el
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