[CCWG-Accountability] Level of Discourse / Rules of Order

[Drazek, Keith]

Dear Co-Chairs,

I request that personal, non-substantive differences between individual members/participants be resolved off-list so the group can remain focused on our work. I think we can all be accountable for keeping the discourse professional and respectful.

Thanks and regards,
Keith


On Jan 17, 2015, at 1:52 AM, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el at lisse.na<mailto:el at lisse.na>> wrote:

Dear Thomas and co-chairs

thank you very much for your reply.

I disagree with your statement that this should be done off list. It MUST be done on the same forum where it occurs. If only for accountability.

I for one will post and say whatever I want wherever I want, though as you have noted without being disruptive and through the co-chairs, which is a recognized device in deliberative organizations, for example quoted from:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/roberts-rules-participating-in-meetings-as-a-membe.html

for your convenience:


<quote>

Speaking through the chair

When addressing another member, you never go wrong by speaking through the chair. Refrain from using the member's name if you can avoid it. Respect is conveyed by depersonalizing comments made in debate. For example, "Mr. Chairman, does the member who just spoke have information on the cost of his proposal?" works much better than, "Dang it Fred, have you thought about how much your stupid idea is gonna cost us?" Formality has its benefits.

</quote>


greetings, el

Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini

On Jan 16, 2015, at 22:21, Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de<mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>> wrote:

All,
we have been addressed as co-chairs to take action based on various comments and complaints issued by Dr. Eberhard Lisse.

We take good note of the complaints and plan to discuss this with Dr. Lisse when we meet in Frankfurt.

We do not think that a public mailing list is the right forum issue nor to respond to the complaints. Complaints, if any, should be addressed to us offlist to allow us to deal with them appropriately.

At the same time, we would like to encourage the whole group to focus on the plethora of questions we have to work on and thank Roelof for reminding us of the wise encouragement to be conservative in what we send and liberal in what we receive.

Thank you and kind regards,
León Sánchez, Mathieu Weill and Thomas Rickert


Am 15.01.2015 um 23:46 schrieb Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na<mailto:el at lisse.na>>:

Dear Co-Chairs,

I wish to file a formal complaint about the disorder during the last
telephone call and demand that this be dealt with forthwith.

After an apparent technical issue regarding Mr Arasteh, having being
allegedly repeatedly phoned under an incorrect number, when he
finally connected to the bridge he raised his voice and repeatedly
interrupted the chair, while not having the floor/having been
recognized.

In 25 year of dealing with this stuff I have never experienced an
outburst like the one displayed by the ICG Liaison and Participant.

It is furthermore disturbing to me since the gentleman is a
professional negotiator of 40 years experience and a GAC
representative.

I also believe that such conduct is unacceptable under ICANN's rules
of behavior but in any case it is not acceptable to me and I demand
that steps are taken to prevent this from happening again.

Non withstanding the above I suppose an investigation into the
allegations of him being unable to be contacted might be in order,
and I for one look forward into find out what actually happened and
what can be done to prevent this from happening again, if anything.


That said, I notice with alarming regularly issues with individuals
being unable to access Adobe Connect and/or connecting to the call.

This is equally disturbing and hence I would appreciate if this
could be looked into as well.

I for one am setting aside some time on TechDay on Monday of the
ICANN meeting in Singapore, for an Adobe Workshop of sorts, where we
could among other issues demonstrate how one can not only listen but
also speak (directly) through the net, ie without requiring a dial
in/out.

Then there is the possibility to use Skype's dial out which works,
free of charge to US based toll free numbers.

Finally, I use a privately owned Asterix switchboard via a (Bria 3)
soft-phone on my Mac to dial a UK based toll free number, which
works extremely well with very little bandwidth from (the developing
country) Namibia.

I have asked Bart Boswinkel a while back to look into setting up SIP
access of sort, I could envisage an Asterix server which only allows
the dialing of toll free numbers (related to ICANN work).  I have
not heard back from him, yet.


This is not meant as criticism, in particular not of the chairs, who
have been bending over backwards in order to be inclusive.

greetings, el
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