[CCWG-Accountability] Level of Discourse / Rules of Order

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

Dear Co-Chairs,

can you remove this troll from the list, please?

el

On 2015-01-17 08:16 , Carrie wrote:
> Sir
> I will gladly repost your incorrect and inappropriate comments about me
> and your erroneous presumption of law and my grasp of it along w your
> follow up comment not thinking the community and I were looped in.
> 
> It is not that far off the New Year to make a resolution for the New
> Year to stick to fact.
> 
> Like Municipal law, your country may not have the guidance of the
> Hippocratic Oath for doctors of which I believe you are one. For your
> benefit here it is, especially this paragraph "will remember that I
> remain a member of society, with special obligations to all my fellow
> human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm."
> 
> 
> 
> .........
> 
> *Hippocratic Oath (Modern version)*
> 
> I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:
> 
> I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in
> whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with
> those who are to follow.
> 
> I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures which are
> required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and therapeutic
> nihilism.
> 
> I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and
> that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's
> knife or the chemist's drug.
> 
> I will not be ashamed to say "I know not," nor will I fail to call in my
> colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery.
> 
> I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not
> disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread
> with care in matters of life and death. If it is given me to save a
> life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life;
> this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and
> awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God.
> 
> I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth,
> but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and
> economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems,
> if I am to care adequately for the sick.
> 
> I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure.
> 
> I will remember that I remain a member of society, with special
> obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body
> as well as the infirm.
> 
> If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, respected while
> I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as
> to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long
> experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
> *
> 
> /
> */Written in 1964 by Louis Lasagna
> <http://www.lib.rochester.edu/index.cfm?page=3330>, Academic Dean of the
> School of Medicine at Tufts University, and used in many medical schools
> today. /*
> /*
> 
>   
> Comments (2)
> <http://guides.library.jhu.edu/content_mobile.php?pid=23699&sid=190964#>
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 17, 2015, at 1:51 AM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na
> <mailto:el at lisse.na>> wrote:
> 
>> Dear Thomas and co-chairs
>>
>> thank you very much for your reply.
>>
>> I disagree with your statement that this should be done off list. It
>> MUST be done on the same forum where it occurs. If only for
>> accountability. 
>>
>> I for one will post and say whatever I want wherever I want, though as
>> you have noted without being disruptive and through the co-chairs,
>> which is a recognized device in deliberative organizations, for
>> example quoted from:
>>
>> http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/roberts-rules-participating-in-meetings-as-a-membe.html
>>
>> for your convenience:
>>
>>
>> <quote>
>>
>> Speaking through the chair
>>
>> When addressing another member, you never go wrong by speaking through
>> the chair. Refrain from using the member's name if you can avoid it.
>> Respect is conveyed by depersonalizing comments made in debate. For
>> example, "Mr. Chairman, does the member who just spoke have
>> information on the cost of his proposal?" works much better than,
>> "Dang it Fred, have you thought about how much your stupid idea is
>> gonna cost us?" Formality has its benefits.
>>
>>
>> </quote>
>>
>>
>> greetings, el
>>
>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>
>> On Jan 16, 2015, at 22:21, Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de
>> <mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>> wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>> we have been addressed as co-chairs to take action based on various
>>> comments and complaints issued by Dr. Eberhard Lisse.
>>>
>>> We take good note of the complaints and plan to discuss this with Dr.
>>> Lisse when we meet in Frankfurt.
>>>
>>> We do not think that a public mailing list is the right forum issue
>>> nor to respond to the complaints. Complaints, if any, should be
>>> addressed to us offlist to allow us to deal with them appropriately.
>>>
>>> At the same time, we would like to encourage the whole group to focus
>>> on the plethora of questions we have to work on and thank Roelof for
>>> reminding us of the wise encouragement to be conservative in what we
>>> send and liberal in what we receive.
>>>
>>> Thank you and kind regards,
>>> León Sánchez, Mathieu Weill and Thomas Rickert
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am 15.01.2015 um 23:46 schrieb Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na
>>>> <mailto:el at lisse.na>>:
>>>>
>>>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>>>
>>>> I wish to file a formal complaint about the disorder during the last
>>>> telephone call and demand that this be dealt with forthwith.
>>>>
>>>> After an apparent technical issue regarding Mr Arasteh, having being
>>>> allegedly repeatedly phoned under an incorrect number, when he
>>>> finally connected to the bridge he raised his voice and repeatedly
>>>> interrupted the chair, while not having the floor/having been
>>>> recognized.
>>>>
>>>> In 25 year of dealing with this stuff I have never experienced an
>>>> outburst like the one displayed by the ICG Liaison and Participant.
>>>>
>>>> It is furthermore disturbing to me since the gentleman is a
>>>> professional negotiator of 40 years experience and a GAC
>>>> representative.
>>>>
>>>> I also believe that such conduct is unacceptable under ICANN's rules
>>>> of behavior but in any case it is not acceptable to me and I demand
>>>> that steps are taken to prevent this from happening again.
>>>>
>>>> Non withstanding the above I suppose an investigation into the
>>>> allegations of him being unable to be contacted might be in order,
>>>> and I for one look forward into find out what actually happened and
>>>> what can be done to prevent this from happening again, if anything.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That said, I notice with alarming regularly issues with individuals
>>>> being unable to access Adobe Connect and/or connecting to the call.
>>>>
>>>> This is equally disturbing and hence I would appreciate if this
>>>> could be looked into as well.
>>>>
>>>> I for one am setting aside some time on TechDay on Monday of the
>>>> ICANN meeting in Singapore, for an Adobe Workshop of sorts, where we
>>>> could among other issues demonstrate how one can not only listen but
>>>> also speak (directly) through the net, ie without requiring a dial
>>>> in/out.
>>>>
>>>> Then there is the possibility to use Skype's dial out which works,
>>>> free of charge to US based toll free numbers.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, I use a privately owned Asterix switchboard via a (Bria 3)
>>>> soft-phone on my Mac to dial a UK based toll free number, which
>>>> works extremely well with very little bandwidth from (the developing
>>>> country) Namibia.
>>>>
>>>> I have asked Bart Boswinkel a while back to look into setting up SIP
>>>> access of sort, I could envisage an Asterix server which only allows
>>>> the dialing of toll free numbers (related to ICANN work).  I have
>>>> not heard back from him, yet.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is not meant as criticism, in particular not of the chairs, who
>>>> have been bending over backwards in order to be inclusive.
>>>>
>>>> greetings, el
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