[CCWG-ACCT] The big test of effective accountability

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

Right, and that is why instead of abandoning them as ZERO, we need to
get them into the by-laws with a sticky bit.

avri

On 29-Jan-15 17:45, Drazek, Keith wrote:
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> Exactly.
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> How would NTIA re-tender the IANA functions contract after it ceases
> to be a counter-party post-transition? This is precisely why our CCWG
> Accountability exists.
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> The AoC is voluntary and unless the key accountability & transparency
> components are incorporated into the by-laws (among other reforms)
> BEFORE transition, there will be nothing holding ICANN to those
> commitments AFTER transition.
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> Is this not apparent?
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> Keith
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> *From:*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jordan Carter
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 29, 2015 5:41 PM
> *To:* Eric Brunner-Williams
> *Cc:* Accountability Cross Community
> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The big test of effective accountability
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> Eric:
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> I think the USG would be highly displeased.
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> For what it is worth, I think that the accountability created by the
> NTIA contract, and the fact that the USG is seeking to end that
> arrangement, is why we are all having this conversation in the first
> place.
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> Without the contract, what do you think the USG would do?
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> The point is not whether the Board intends or does not intend to end
> the AOC. I have no doubt it has no such desire. 
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> The point is, in the post-NTIA-contract world, what would we want to
> be able to do about it?
>
> best
>
> Jordan
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> On 30 January 2015 at 11:30, Eric Brunner-Williams
> <ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net <mailto:ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net>> wrote:
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> Steve, Jordan, and anyone else so inclined,
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> Would you care to offer your best guess(es) as to the response of the
> Government of the United States were the Corporation to engage in the
> course of conduct proposed?
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> I suspect it would look suspiciously similar to something we've seen
> before,
> http://www.ntia.doc.gov/files/ntia/publications/fr_ianafunctionsnoi_02252011.pdf
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> Have either of you (or others sharing the concern expressed by Steve
> and Jordan) any indication that the Board is or ever has considered
> unilateral termination of the AoC?
>
> Eric Brunner-Williams
> Eugene, Oregon
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> On 1/29/15 2:14 PM, Jordan Carter wrote:
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>     On 30 January 2015 at 11:07, Eric Brunner-Williams
>     <ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net <mailto:ebw at abenaki.wabanaki.net>> wrote:
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>     On 1/29/15 1:58 PM, Steve DelBianco wrote:
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>     Okay, so Jonathan exaggerated a bit by saying we have zero
>     accountability today.  But Avri admits we have no mechanisms that
>     are binding on the board. And Avri cites the AoC, which can be
>     canceled by ICANN at any time.
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>     Would you be so kind as to offer support for this ... peculiar claim?
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>     From section 11 of the AOC:
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>     "Any party may terminate this Affirmation of Commitments by
>     providing 120 days written notice to the other party." 
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>     https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/affirmation-of-commitments-2009-09-30-en
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>     duckduckgo.com <http://duckduckgo.com> is often your friend.
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>     Jordan
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