[CCWG-ACCT] Legal counsel engagement enhancements

[Jordan Carter]

Maybe we could have a "default" max of one per firm on WP calls and the
same on CCWG calls, with more allowed if the subject matter in the agenda
demands it?

I too share Roelof's view...

best
Jordan


On 20 June 2015 at 17:03, Chris Disspain <ceo at auda.org.au> wrote:

> Speaking as a lawyer……give lawyers a maximum and they will use it!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Chris
>
> On 21 Jun 2015, at 05:49 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <
> leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:
>
> Thanks Roelof,
>
> This is a maximum, not a minimum. Therefore, this doesn’t mean we will be
> having 4 lawyers a call but rather limit their attendance to 4 whereas
> before we had no limit and I can recall meetings where we had more than 4
> lawyers attending.
>
> I hope this is more clear.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> León
>
> El 20/06/2015, a las 16:44, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>
> escribió:
>
> Léon, Mathieu,
>
> You can¹t be serious. I see no reason whatsoever why we would need 2
> lawyers per firm and so 4 lawyers per call/meeting. These are reputed
> firms and expert lawyers, one of each firm should suffice.
> I really take an issue with the amount of money we¹re spending on legal
> advice
>
> Best,
>
> Roelof
>
>
>
>
> On 20-06-15 16:35, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on
> behalf of León Felipe Sánchez Ambía"
> <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
> leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> Just as a follow up to Mathieu¹s email, I would like to clarify that
> lawyers maximum attendance per call/meeting is 2 lawyers per firm.
>
>
> Best regards,
>
>
> León
>
> El 20/06/2015, a las 16:24, Mathieu Weill <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>
> escribió:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> During last week's call, we agreed that the co-chair would engage with
> the lawyers in order to optimize interactions between our group and the
> independent legal counsel, taking into account the importance of quality
> advice as well as the concerns regarding expenses.
>
> We have met today with Holly and Rosemary and this is to report on the
> ways forward we have agreed on :
>
> * to avoid any misunderstanding on questions, as well as enable a
> better assessment of costs, we will refrain from certifying questions
> until :
>  * a discussion has taken place between lawyers and the colleague
> asking the question, either through a regular call or through ad hoc
> calls (such ad hoc calls would obviously be transcribed and open)
>  * such a discussion has, if need be, produced a clarified version of
> the question, an estimate of whether the response would require a lot of
> research, and an indication of the potential value of the research for
> the group's further deliberations.
>
> * participation of lawyers to meetings and calls will be limited to a
> maximum of 2. As a consequence, lawyers may not always be able to
> respond to our questions instantly. In such cases, we will rely on the
> above certification process.
>
> * a "punch list" of issues will be produced avec Buenos Aires and
> shared with the group as a project management tool.
>
> We are convinced these simple steps will be useful to get the best
> value out of the outstanding expertise of our cousel.
>
> Best regards,
>
> --
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