[CCWG-ACCT] Communique - revised - any feedback by midnight Argentina time

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

It's most certainly not a game to me.

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On 2015-06-22 11:15 , Roelof Meijer wrote:
> Dear Paul, all,
> 
> To make sure that the record, and any future historian, gets this right: I
> completely agree with Paul¹s assessment of the performance and conduct of
> our co-chairs and rapporteurs.
> 
> Additionally, als to make sure that both the record and future historians
> get this right, let¹s all agree that volume is not equal to accuracy and
> lack of contradiction does not at all means agreement.
> 
> I am of the opinion that the best way to deal with Eberhard Lisse¹s
> completely unfounded, aggressive criticism  often aimed at CCWG colleagues
> who, in sharp contrast, contribute enormously to our goal, can best be
> ignored.
> As we witness now again, every reaction to him, provokes another reaction,
> frustrating us all, distracting us from our work and not getting us any
> further.
> 
> It¹s just a game to him, let¹s refuse to play.
> 
> If we really want this to stop, we should deal with it in a structural
> way, not by agreeing publicly that we all disagree.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Roelof Meijer
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 22-06-15 08:16, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on
> behalf of Paul Rosenzweig"
> <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on behalf of
> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com> wrote:
> 
>> Colleagues
>>
>> It seems to me worth recording, for "the record" that our colleague so
>> frequently alludes to, some thoughts about the leadership of our group.
>> Given the frequency and vituperative nature of the criticism emanating
>> from
>> one corner, I would not want silence in our discussions to in any way
>> betoken agreement or assent.  When some future historian looks back on
>> these
>> proceedings they might mistake volume for accuracy and lack of
>> contradiction
>> for agreement.  That is most certainly not the case (at least not for me,
>> and I suspect for many others).
>>
>> I, for one, began this process with a modest amount of optimism that it
>> could prove productive and a healthy dollop of skepticism that so
>> unwieldy a
>> process could be effectively managed.  In 35 years in government and the
>> private sector I have seen any number of committees with a much narrower
>> mandate and a much smaller membership flounder and fail.
>>
>> We should all, therefore, reflect that our co-Chairs and rapporteurs have,
>> through their efforts, managed to push us along this far and this
>> effectively.  They have run an open and transparent process.  They have
>> been
>> inclusive.  They have moved the discussion along (perhaps too fast for
>> some,
>> but well within the bounds of reasonableness).  They have exhibited
>> patience
>> beyond measure (I, personally, would long ago have asked the chartering
>> organization to recall its member).  And, to their very great credit, they
>> have allowed the process to run without imposing their own views --
>> indeed,
>> I would be hard pressed to state exactly what they might be -- an exercise
>> in restraint that deserves praise.
>>
>> In short, by any objective measure our co-Chairs have done a fine job.  It
>> has not been perfect, to be sure, but it has met every objective test of
>> reasonableness that one can devise.  I reject utterly any suggestion of
>> bias, animus, or dishonesty.  Those  are baseless puerile allegations that
>> reflect more on the nature of the accuser, whose views will, I am sure, be
>> seen in retrospect as baseless.
>>
>> Regards
>> Paul
>>
>> Paul Rosenzweig
>> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
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>> M: +1 (202) 329-9650
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>> Skype: paul.rosenzweig1066
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Malcolm Hutty [mailto:malcolm at linx.net]
>> Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:59 PM
>> To: Dr Eberhard W Lisse; León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
>> Cc: List ccTLD Community; CCWG Accountability; Lisse Eberhard;
>> <ccnso-members at icann.org>; cctldworld at icann.org
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Communique - revised - any feedback by midnight
>> Argentina time
>>
>> On 21/06/2015 21:26, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
>>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>>
>>> Your Co-Chair is being quite economical with the truth.
>>
>> Dear Dr Lisse,
>>
>> I am getting quite tired of the repeated disrespect you are showing to our
>> colleagues, and your unfair attempts to impugne their integrity.
>>
>> The communique was proposed to the meeting and read out. Participants were
>> invited to comment; there being no substantive comments, the communique
>> was
>> accepted. I don't know what more deliberation you could want. The handling
>> was entirely proper and normal.
>>
>> Your attacks on León are without a shred of justification, as were your
>> previous attacks on our co-chairs. He deserves your apology, as do they;
>> if
>> you choose to withhold it, that reflects upon you, not on them.
>>
>> Perhaps you might wish to reflect on how counter-productive your approach
>> is
>> to any effort to persuade colleagues to give their attention to your
>> interventions, and the disservice you are doing your own cause thereby.
>>
>> I am a proud proponent of the multistakeholder model. Many on this list
>> are
>> new to this model, and unused to the opportunity openness to all does give
>> to those who wish to be rude and disruptive. I am embarrassed to think how
>> they must feel when they see this spat, and the other occasions you have
>> mistreated colleagues here.
>>
>> I can only hope that our new colleagues can look past the behaviour of one
>> individual and recognise the deep well of cooperation and goodwill that
>> characterises the rest of our work. I hope they can still find it in
>> themselves to agree with me that the great achievement of building a broad
>> base of consensus in such a challenging area is worth even the
>> inconvenience
>> of suffering such rudeness.
>>
>> I am sorry I have had to be so blunt, but remaining silent felt too much
>> like complicity in an injustice.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Malcolm Hutty.
>>
>>
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