[CCWG-ACCT] [ccTLDcommunity] ICANN transition

[Mathieu Weill]

Hi Nigel,

Sorry you did not find these informations useful. I am of course totally 
unable to answer the questions you raise, since they should be answered 
by Icann representatives.

So if you want to proceed, I suggest you raise these questions with 
Icann officials, maybe through our ccNSO representatives in the Board ?

best
Mathieu

Le 06/05/2015 10:47, Nigel Roberts a écrit :
> Dear Mathieu
>
> If those statements you rely on -- and particularly, the two from 
> ICANN -- are made in response to the assertion that
>
> "ICANN has verbally represented that they will reject any proposed 
> agreement in which ICANN is not deemed the sole source prime 
> contractor for the IANA functions in perpetuity."
>
> then I think they are unhelpful, and to me appear quite evasive.
>
> If they were /not/ made in response to that quote, they appear 
> rambling and irrelevant.
>
>
> It's a simple question.
>
> Did, or did not ICANN (or their lawyers) ever make this representation 
> to the people who say they did.  (Yes or No?)
>
>
> If they did say this, does this actuallly represent the position of 
> the ICANN Staff and ICANN Board in the negotiation? (Yes or No?)
>
>
> If they did not say this, will ICANN agree that their position on this 
> extremely important was (accidentally or otherwise) substantially and 
> fundamentally misrepresented by the author of that quote, how did that 
> come about, and should we therefore be expecting a retraction from the 
> people who made the above quote? (Yes or No?)
>
> Finally, if the answer to both those questions is 'yes', would you 
> agree that we are wasting our time? (Yes or No?)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 06/05/15 06:49, Mathieu Weill wrote:> Hi Nigel,
> >
> > Here are a few additional references for statements about this
> > discussion, which I hope will help everyone make their own opinion.
> >
> > IETF statement regarding their negotiations with Icann :
> > http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/ianaplan/current/msg01680.html
> >
> > Clarification email from Bruce Tonkin, in his capacity as CCWG Board
> > liaison on May 1st (attached)
> >
> > Clarification email from Theresa Swineheart (Icann staff) on May 1st
> > (attached)
> >
> > I hope this helps.
> >
> > Best
> > Mathieu
> >
> > Le 05/05/2015 18:45, Nigel Roberts a écrit :
> >> On 05/05/15 17:23, Mathieu Weill wrote:
> >>> Dear Nigel,
> >>>
> >>> I too respect this source. However ICANN staff as well as others have
> >>> since then provided some clarifications. The statement below does
> >>> not, apparently, capture ICANN's position. We may not be wasting our
> >>> time, after all.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Thank for for this update.
> >>
> >> I understand from you above reply that the statement I quoted earlier
> >> (which, apparently, you also know whence it came) is untrue.
> >>
> >> It is unfortunate that such a definitive statement came to be stated
> >> as fact -- when it was not -- in the forum that it was so stated,
> >> don't you agree?
> >>
> >> Do you think we might be able to have sight of the actual
> >> clarifications by the staff concerned, debunking this ,yth, as well as
> >> knowing who the 'others' to whom you refer as also providing
> >> clarifications.
> >>
> >> It is, of course perfectly possible for staff in one part of an
> >> organisation to make one statement, while the Board and c-suite staff
> >> pursue another strategy ... ... so the position and identity of those
> >> clarifying this are important!
> >>
> >> And the lack of detail or attribution for the clarifications you,
> >> yourself, have had the benefit of, but we have not, is a defect that I
> >> hope may soon be remedied.
> >>
> >> Thanks again for your assistance.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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