[CCWG-ACCT] [ccTLDcommunity] Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability) - Input Needed on its Proposed Accountability Enhancements (Work Stream 1)

Wed May 6 19:14:01 UTC 2015

That’s a great executive summary!

Cheers,

Roelof

On 06-05-15 20:22, "McAuley, David" <dmcauley at verisign.com> wrote:

>I will leave it to others to sort out the details of the discussion, but
>as a participant in the CCWG I would like to note my opinion that the
>co-chairs, rapporteurs, and staff have demonstrated outstanding fairness
>and professionalism in managing what has been, so far, a complex and
>demanding endeavor.
>
>David McAuley
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:cctldcommunity-bounces at cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Martin
>Boyle
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>To: roelofmeijerforwarder; ccnso-members at icann.org;
>cctldcommunity at cctld-managers.org; Eberhard Lisse
>Cc: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>Subject: Re: [ccTLDcommunity] Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing
>ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability) - Input Needed on its Proposed
>Accountability Enhancements (Work Stream 1)
>
>I fully support Roelof's analysis.
>
>Martin
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>[mailto:cctldcommunity-bounces at cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Roelof
>Meijer
>Sent: 06 May 2015 16:37
>To: ccnso-members at icann.org; cctldcommunity at cctld-managers.org; Eberhard
>Lisse
>Cc: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>Subject: Re: [ccTLDcommunity] Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing
>ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability) - Input Needed on its Proposed
>Accountability Enhancements (Work Stream 1)
>
>Dear ccTLD colleagues,
>
>It is with reluctance that I react to this thread, but I feel obliged to
>do so.
>Reluctance, because I prefer to ignore Eberhard Lisse when he sends out
>one of his quite characteristic emails.
>Obliged, however, because as his advice to you on how to deal with the
>request for community feed-back on the CCWG-Accountability Work Stream 1
>proposals published on 4 May, he "strongly urge[s] all ccTLD Managers to
>strongly oppose this rubbish².
>
>I consider that to be very poor, even irresponsible, advice, and urge you
>to read the report and give your feed-back. If you don¹t agree; let us
>know, if you have suggestions for improvements; tell us. But above all:
>give us guidance with your opinion on the specific issues that we ask
>your feed-back on in the report.
>
>The Enhancement of ICANN¹s Accountability is an inseparable part of the
>IANA Stewardship Transition, a conditio sine qua non. The successful
>transition of the IANA Stewardship is a necessity for the global, single
>internet to develop to it¹s maximum potential.
>However, we will not have a second chance any time soon and thus we
>cannot afford to fail. The final proposals to enhance ICANN¹s
>accountability and to transition to IANA Stewardship are the ultimate
>test of the multi-stakeholder model and failure would, in the end, mean
>the end of that model.
>
>So you cannot even afford to ignore the CCWG draft proposals, or any
>other proposal in this process. Unless maybe if you want to get rid of
>the multi-stakeholder model...
>
>Like Eberhard Lisse, I am one of the ccTLD Community¹s participants in
>the CCWG. Very unlike Eberhard Lisse, I am proud of what the CCWG
>published on
>4 May. It is certainly not perfect, it surely is not complete and it is
>definitely not final. The timeline, the enormous amount of work, the
>unknown territories we had to explore and insights and opinions we had to
>unite, made the process quite painful at times.
>But the result -and in the end that is what really counts- is good. To be
>honest: far better then I expected.
>And quite solid enough to ask your feed-back on. So it can be improved.
>
>Our three co-chairs Mathieu Weill, Thomas Rickert and León Felipe
>Sánchez-Ambia deserve no criticism, but our deep respect. For their
>leadership and guidance, for the substance they brought and also for the
>way they acted on feed-back from the group or individual
>members/participants.
>They were -and are- real assets in this process. Eberhard Lisse, in my
>opinion, is not.
>
>Best regards,
> 
>Roelof A. Meijer
>CEO
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>
>
>
>
>On 06-05-15 07:44, "Mathieu Weill" <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr> wrote:
>
>>Dear Byron, Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>To set the record straight, Dr Lisse's statements about the violation
>>of the CCWG Accountability Charter and the dynamics of the group are a
>>misrepresentation of facts. Speaking of facts, we are more than happy
>>to provide details in response to the accusations as well as
>>explanations we gave to Dr Lisse on the public mailing list, to support
>>our statement.
>>
>>We would also note for the benefit of readers of these lists that Dr
>>Lisse has filed countless objections against almost everything the CCWG
>>did since it started. Participants and members of the CCWG have
>>expressed to the co-chairs that they consider Dr Lisse's behaviour as
>>an attempt to discredit the work of fellow volunteers and derail the
>>work of the group.
>>
>>We will not burden everyone on the lists that were cc-ed with details,
>>especially when we have the opportunity to discuss and engage on
>>substance. But we wanted to set this record straight, and express our
>>deep sadness about the use of such a process within the ccTLD community.
>>
>>That being said, we encourage other ccTLD members and participants in
>>the CCWG to express their views related to the substance of the
>>proposals.
>>
>>Best,
>>Thomas Rickert and Mathieu Weill, co-chairs
>>
>>Le 05/05/2015 11:36, Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
>>> [sorry for the double post, technical issue] Dear Byron,
>>>
>>> as tmember appointed by the (chartering) ccNSO to the CCWG
>>> Accountability I have followed the Charter, in particular in raising
>>> my concerns of my points consistently being ignored and rejected by
>>> the Co-Chairs of this CCWG, one of whom is Mathieu Weill, the posting
>>> of whom, herein-under, I wish to address, "through the chair".
>>>
>>> Please assure that staff forwards this to all Council Members who do
>>> not have access to the above lists.
>>>
>>>
>>> These "current proposals" have been arrived at in violation of the
>>> Charter, without the necessary Consensus Call for all positions, and
>>> in violation of the Charter by refusing the opportunity to attach
>>> minority views.
>>>
>>> They also have been rushed over the objection of myself in which I
>>> have been joined in various degrees, shape or form by appointed
>>> members of every constituency chartering, even several GAC members
>>> expressing themselves in this regard.
>>>
>>> This was done in order to get "something" passed prior to a non
>>> existing deadline instead of doing this carefully, thoroughly and
>>> inclusively.
>>>
>>> As usual the gNSO members and in particular un-appointed participants
>>> representing large interests were/are the driving force behind this
>>> rush-job.
>>>
>>> The document is so convoluted that an expensive graphics company was
>>> hired for several months to generate these professional graphics in
>>> order to just be able to understand the document.
>>>
>>> Even Mathieu doesn't understand it, because he not only refers to it
>>> as a "report" which under the Charter REQUIRES a Consensus Call and
>>> attachment of minority views, if any, and he alleges that it has any
>>> relevance to ccTLDs, which is has not.
>>>
>>> The community he refers to is ill defined, and in any case the ccNSO
>>> has no mandate whatsoever to act on decisions, acts or omissions
>>> affecting individual ccTLDs.
>>>
>>> According to the Charter the CCWG must address ALL accountability
>>> issues with the exception of administrative and operational IANA
>>> issues, which were to have been addressed by CWG Stewardship, where
>>> they were not being addressed, of course.
>>>
>>> This was used to refuse and/or ignore any request that had anything
>>> to do with the root zone and/or the IANA Function, in particular the
>>> fundamental issues, which remain unresolved.
>>>
>>> I will post something like this into the Comment Box for the record,
>>> but I strongly urge all ccTLD Managers to strongly oppose this
>>> rubbish.
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally, I am personally offended by him thanking the ccTLD members
>>> and characterizing their participation, in particular since hardly
>>> any input by ccTLD members/participants had any effect on ccTLD
>>> Managers' positions, and because he does not mean it.
>>>
>>> For me it is not a pleasure to work in this CCWG and in particular
>>> not an honor to work with him and any other of the other Co-Chairs.
>>>
>>>
>>> el
>>>
>>> On 2015-05-05 07:53, Mathieu Weill wrote:
>>>> Thank you Gabi for sharing this announcement.
>>>>
>>>> In addition to the public comment announcement
>>>> 
>>>>(https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ccwg-accountability-draft-prop
>>>>osa
>>>>l-2015-05-04-en)
>>>> the CCWG-Accountability produced some graphics describing the
>>>>current  proposals (PDF,
>>>> 
>>>>https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52897394/XPL_CCWG_Il
>>>>lus
>>>>tratedConcepts_v2.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1430799940397&api=v2
>>>>)  , which you might find helpful, although of course nothing
>>>>replaces  reading the actual report.
>>>>
>>>> While this report is not focused on IANA, it is very relevant to
>>>>ccTLDs
>>>> : it addresses the accountability enhancements requested by the CWG
>>>>Iana  stewardship transition latest proposal, proposes additional
>>>>powers for  the community, including the ccNSO, and strongly
>>>>reinforces Icannn's  appeal mechanisms.
>>>>
>>>> For more details, the CCWG-Accountability will hold two identical
>>>> webinars at different times to facilitate participation across time
>>>> zones. The webinars will take place on:
>>>>
>>>>      11 May from 11:00  12:30 UTC
>>>>      11 May from 19:00  20:30 UTC
>>>>
>>>> Details can be found here :
>>>> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-05-04-en
>>>>
>>>> I seize this opportunity to thank all ccTLD members and participants
>>>> to this group. They have done a tremendous job, demonstrating the
>>>> value of ccTLD inputs to the overall community. As co-chair, it is a
>>>> great pleasure and an honour to work with such a team.
>>>>
>>>> We are now more than ever in listening mode and look forward to your
>>>> questions and feedbacks.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Mathieu
>>> [...]
>>>
>>
>>--
>>*****************************
>>Mathieu WEILL
>>AFNIC - directeur général
>>Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06
>>mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
>>Twitter : @mathieuweill
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>>
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