[CCWG-ACCT] [ccTLDcommunity] Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability) - Input Needed on its Proposed Accountability Enhancements (Work Stream 1)

Wed May 6 19:29:09 UTC 2015

<filtered out list that will return a bounce to my mail>

As participant in the CCWG and member of the CWG, I like to add my absolute
+1 to the few lines stated by McAuley as those words apply to both groups.

Regards

On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 7:22 PM, McAuley, David <dmcauley at verisign.com>
wrote:

> I will leave it to others to sort out the details of the discussion, but
> as a participant in the CCWG I would like to note my opinion that the
> co-chairs, rapporteurs, and staff have demonstrated outstanding fairness
> and professionalism in managing what has been, so far, a complex and
> demanding endeavor.
>
> David McAuley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctldcommunity-bounces at cctld-managers.org [mailto:
> cctldcommunity-bounces at cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Martin Boyle
> Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2015 12:20 PM
> To: roelofmeijerforwarder; ccnso-members at icann.org;
> cctldcommunity at cctld-managers.org; Eberhard Lisse
> Cc: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [ccTLDcommunity] Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing
> ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability) - Input Needed on its Proposed
> Accountability Enhancements (Work Stream 1)
>
> I fully support Roelof's analysis.
>
> Martin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctldcommunity-bounces at cctld-managers.org [mailto:
> cctldcommunity-bounces at cctld-managers.org] On Behalf Of Roelof Meijer
> Sent: 06 May 2015 16:37
> To: ccnso-members at icann.org; cctldcommunity at cctld-managers.org; Eberhard
> Lisse
> Cc: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [ccTLDcommunity] Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing
> ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability) - Input Needed on its Proposed
> Accountability Enhancements (Work Stream 1)
>
> Dear ccTLD colleagues,
>
> It is with reluctance that I react to this thread, but I feel obliged to
> do so.
> Reluctance, because I prefer to ignore Eberhard Lisse when he sends out
> one of his quite characteristic emails.
> Obliged, however, because as his advice to you on how to deal with the
> request for community feed-back on the CCWG-Accountability Work Stream 1
> proposals published on 4 May, he "strongly urge[s] all ccTLD Managers to
> strongly oppose this rubbish².
>
> I consider that to be very poor, even irresponsible, advice, and urge you
> to read the report and give your feed-back. If you don¹t agree; let us
> know, if you have suggestions for improvements; tell us. But above all:
> give us guidance with your opinion on the specific issues that we ask your
> feed-back on in the report.
>
> The Enhancement of ICANN¹s Accountability is an inseparable part of the
> IANA Stewardship Transition, a conditio sine qua non. The successful
> transition of the IANA Stewardship is a necessity for the global, single
> internet to develop to it¹s maximum potential.
> However, we will not have a second chance any time soon and thus we cannot
> afford to fail. The final proposals to enhance ICANN¹s accountability and
> to transition to IANA Stewardship are the ultimate test of the
> multi-stakeholder model and failure would, in the end, mean the end of that
> model.
>
> So you cannot even afford to ignore the CCWG draft proposals, or any other
> proposal in this process. Unless maybe if you want to get rid of the
> multi-stakeholder model...
>
> Like Eberhard Lisse, I am one of the ccTLD Community¹s participants in the
> CCWG. Very unlike Eberhard Lisse, I am proud of what the CCWG published on
> 4 May. It is certainly not perfect, it surely is not complete and it is
> definitely not final. The timeline, the enormous amount of work, the
> unknown territories we had to explore and insights and opinions we had to
> unite, made the process quite painful at times.
> But the result -and in the end that is what really counts- is good. To be
> honest: far better then I expected.
> And quite solid enough to ask your feed-back on. So it can be improved.
>
> Our three co-chairs Mathieu Weill, Thomas Rickert and León Felipe
> Sánchez-Ambia deserve no criticism, but our deep respect. For their
> leadership and guidance, for the substance they brought and also for the
> way they acted on feed-back from the group or individual
> members/participants.
> They were -and are- real assets in this process. Eberhard Lisse, in my
> opinion, is not.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Roelof A. Meijer
> CEO
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 06-05-15 07:44, "Mathieu Weill" <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr> wrote:
>
> >Dear Byron, Dear Colleagues,
> >
> >To set the record straight, Dr Lisse's statements about the violation
> >of the CCWG Accountability Charter and the dynamics of the group are a
> >misrepresentation of facts. Speaking of facts, we are more than happy
> >to provide details in response to the accusations as well as
> >explanations we gave to Dr Lisse on the public mailing list, to support
> our statement.
> >
> >We would also note for the benefit of readers of these lists that Dr
> >Lisse has filed countless objections against almost everything the CCWG
> >did since it started. Participants and members of the CCWG have
> >expressed to the co-chairs that they consider Dr Lisse's behaviour as
> >an attempt to discredit the work of fellow volunteers and derail the
> >work of the group.
> >
> >We will not burden everyone on the lists that were cc-ed with details,
> >especially when we have the opportunity to discuss and engage on
> >substance. But we wanted to set this record straight, and express our
> >deep sadness about the use of such a process within the ccTLD community.
> >
> >That being said, we encourage other ccTLD members and participants in
> >the CCWG to express their views related to the substance of the proposals.
> >
> >Best,
> >Thomas Rickert and Mathieu Weill, co-chairs
> >
> >Le 05/05/2015 11:36, Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
> >> [sorry for the double post, technical issue] Dear Byron,
> >>
> >> as tmember appointed by the (chartering) ccNSO to the CCWG
> >> Accountability I have followed the Charter, in particular in raising
> >> my concerns of my points consistently being ignored and rejected by
> >> the Co-Chairs of this CCWG, one of whom is Mathieu Weill, the posting
> >> of whom, herein-under, I wish to address, "through the chair".
> >>
> >> Please assure that staff forwards this to all Council Members who do
> >> not have access to the above lists.
> >>
> >>
> >> These "current proposals" have been arrived at in violation of the
> >> Charter, without the necessary Consensus Call for all positions, and
> >> in violation of the Charter by refusing the opportunity to attach
> >> minority views.
> >>
> >> They also have been rushed over the objection of myself in which I
> >> have been joined in various degrees, shape or form by appointed
> >> members of every constituency chartering, even several GAC members
> >> expressing themselves in this regard.
> >>
> >> This was done in order to get "something" passed prior to a non
> >> existing deadline instead of doing this carefully, thoroughly and
> >> inclusively.
> >>
> >> As usual the gNSO members and in particular un-appointed participants
> >> representing large interests were/are the driving force behind this
> >> rush-job.
> >>
> >> The document is so convoluted that an expensive graphics company was
> >> hired for several months to generate these professional graphics in
> >> order to just be able to understand the document.
> >>
> >> Even Mathieu doesn't understand it, because he not only refers to it
> >> as a "report" which under the Charter REQUIRES a Consensus Call and
> >> attachment of minority views, if any, and he alleges that it has any
> >> relevance to ccTLDs, which is has not.
> >>
> >> The community he refers to is ill defined, and in any case the ccNSO
> >> has no mandate whatsoever to act on decisions, acts or omissions
> >> affecting individual ccTLDs.
> >>
> >> According to the Charter the CCWG must address ALL accountability
> >> issues with the exception of administrative and operational IANA
> >> issues, which were to have been addressed by CWG Stewardship, where
> >> they were not being addressed, of course.
> >>
> >> This was used to refuse and/or ignore any request that had anything
> >> to do with the root zone and/or the IANA Function, in particular the
> >> fundamental issues, which remain unresolved.
> >>
> >> I will post something like this into the Comment Box for the record,
> >> but I strongly urge all ccTLD Managers to strongly oppose this
> >> rubbish.
> >>
> >>
> >> Finally, I am personally offended by him thanking the ccTLD members
> >> and characterizing their participation, in particular since hardly
> >> any input by ccTLD members/participants had any effect on ccTLD
> >> Managers' positions, and because he does not mean it.
> >>
> >> For me it is not a pleasure to work in this CCWG and in particular
> >> not an honor to work with him and any other of the other Co-Chairs.
> >>
> >>
> >> el
> >>
> >> On 2015-05-05 07:53, Mathieu Weill wrote:
> >>> Thank you Gabi for sharing this announcement.
> >>>
> >>> In addition to the public comment announcement
> >>>
> >>>(https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ccwg-accountability-draft-prop
> >>>osa
> >>>l-2015-05-04-en)
> >>> the CCWG-Accountability produced some graphics describing the
> >>>current  proposals (PDF,
> >>>
> >>>https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52897394/XPL_CCWG_Il
> >>>lus
> >>>tratedConcepts_v2.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1430799940397&api=v2
> >>>)  , which you might find helpful, although of course nothing
> >>>replaces  reading the actual report.
> >>>
> >>> While this report is not focused on IANA, it is very relevant to
> >>>ccTLDs
> >>> : it addresses the accountability enhancements requested by the CWG
> >>>Iana  stewardship transition latest proposal, proposes additional
> >>>powers for  the community, including the ccNSO, and strongly
> >>>reinforces Icannn's  appeal mechanisms.
> >>>
> >>> For more details, the CCWG-Accountability will hold two identical
> >>> webinars at different times to facilitate participation across time
> >>> zones. The webinars will take place on:
> >>>
> >>>      11 May from 11:00  12:30 UTC
> >>>      11 May from 19:00  20:30 UTC
> >>>
> >>> Details can be found here :
> >>> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-05-04-en
> >>>
> >>> I seize this opportunity to thank all ccTLD members and participants
> >>> to this group. They have done a tremendous job, demonstrating the
> >>> value of ccTLD inputs to the overall community. As co-chair, it is a
> >>> great pleasure and an honour to work with such a team.
> >>>
> >>> We are now more than ever in listening mode and look forward to your
> >>> questions and feedbacks.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Mathieu
> >> [...]
> >>
> >
> >--
> >*****************************
> >Mathieu WEILL
> >AFNIC - directeur général
> >Tél: +33 1 39 30 83 06
> >mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
> >Twitter : @mathieuweill
> >*****************************
> >
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