[CCWG-ACCT] Blog: Working Together Through The Last Mile

Avri Doria avri at acm.org
Tue Sep 8 18:17:01 UTC 2015


Hi,

And I think it has more to do with establishing checks and balances that
take into account the loss of the NTIA backstop/oversight.

avri


On 08-Sep-15 13:48, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
> Exactly
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> On 9/8/15, 1:31 PM, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on behalf of James M. Bladel" <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on behalf of jbladel at godaddy.com> wrote:
>
>> Disagree, Nigel.  It¹s not about the past, but rather an effort to
>> future-proof the organization against individuals & groups we haven¹t
>> event met yet. 
>>
>> Thanks‹
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>> On 9/8/15, 11:59 , "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on
>> behalf of Nigel Roberts" <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> on behalf of nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Roelof
>>>
>>> You are a smart guy. You are open and ready to trust. These are
>>> admirable qualities.
>>>
>>> But ICANN, as a collective entity, to those of us who were there at its
>>> beginnings needs to continually prove it is worthy of trust.
>>>
>>> Because back then, it wasn't.
>>>
>>> And some of us remember.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 08/09/15 17:53, Roelof Meijer wrote:
>>>> All,
>>>>
>>>> Below I pasted some quotes from this thread. And I cannot but wonder.
>>>> What are we getting so wound up about? Did we really expected a ³yes,
>>>> perfect, let¹s implement this straight away²?
>>>> But what makes me wonder most is why, for heaven¹s sake, do we see the
>>>> board as a unity of ill-doers?
>>>>
>>>> The board members that have participated in our work are individuals
>>>> that I hold in high esteem. Quite a few of them tutored me when I
>>>> entered this miraculous world of ICANN quite a few years ago.
>>>> They gave me different angles and insights, pointed out different
>>>> possible views and were open to discussion, disagreement and new ideas.
>>>> And were tirelessly working to improve the way we work for the benefit
>>>> of the global internet community. And most of them did not change a bit
>>>> after they decided to help us all forward even more, make a personal
>>>> sacrifice and join ICANN's board.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, there¹s no collective single opinion in any wrong
>>>> direction in this board. There is however, a collective intellect and a
>>>> level of individual integrity and selfishness that one does not easily
>>>> find in executive structures. They deserve our respect. Which, no, does
>>>> not mean that we cannot have different opinions.
>>>>
>>>> When Steve Crocker writes:
>>>>
>>>> /"We support the important improvements for ICANN's accountability
>>>> contained in the CCWG-Accountability's 2nd Draft Proposal. We endorse
>>>> the goal of enforceability of these accountability mechanisms, and we
>>>> believe that it is possible to implement the key elements of the
>>>> proposal. We want to work together to achieve the elements of the
>>>> proposal within the community's timeline while meeting the NTIA
>>>> requirements.²/
>>>>
>>>> he in my opinion sends a very clear message that we should happily
>>>> receive, as he commits the board. Let¹s await the promised details of
>>>> their ideas and keep engaged.
>>>> Why should we want to send messages like the following, what do we hope
>>>> to achieve? Frustrate the process to a halt?
>>>> Read the quotes below, and note the interpretations of what was read or
>>>> heard: as in ³while you say, Š. I seeŠ², ³when you say, Š you mean.."
>>>>
>>>> /"While you say the the Single member is just a implementation issue, I
>>>> //see you attacking one of the fundamental principles, in fact the
>>>> //keystone of the CCWG proposal."/
>>>>
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> /"I see in the Board's response a fear of the community and of the all
>>>> the //bad things we might do if we were not kept tightly in check"/
>>>>
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> /"It should not come as a surprise that ICANN's current structure does
>>>> not want changes. Nothing is more natural in a change process than for
>>>> those who see some loss of control or authority to oppose it. It is a
>>>> very natural human reaction."/
>>>>
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> /"for too long ICANN the corporation has operated according to the
>>>> priorities of the legal dept, and especially Jones Day, with the
>>>> board-staff simply taking direction from its lawyers (in-house and
>>>> out-house), putting the corporation first and the community last" /
>>>>
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> /"When you say you agree to a thing in principle you mean that you have
>>>> not the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice."/
>>>>
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> /"And I, for one, do not want the transition //badly enough that I would
>>>> capitulate to the Board's effort to completely //distort the proposed
>>>> process."/
>>>>
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> /"I understand why the Board does not want to yield power.  That is
>>>> precisely //why it must."/
>>>>
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> /"The effort to spin the replacement recommendation as just
>>>> //operationalization is impressive."/
>>>>
>>>> //
>>>>
>>>> /"not surrender and let the Board have complete control //without any
>>>> possibility of ever being subject to oversight ever again"/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Let¹s all sit back a bit and reflect. On ourselvesŠ
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Roelof Meijer
>>>>
>>>> SIDN | Meander 501 | 6825 MD | P.O. Box 5022 | 6802 EA | ARNHEM | THE
>>>> NETHERLANDS
>>>> T +31 (0)26 352 55 00 | M +31 (0)6 11 395 775 | F +31 (0)26 352 55 05
>>>> roelof.meijer at sidn.nl <mailto:roelof.meijer at sidn.nl> | www.sidn.nl
>>>> <http://www.sidn.nl/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 07-09-15 20:14, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
>>>> Avri Doria" <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
>>>> avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Hi,
>>>>
>>>>     First, my perceptions are not colored by Trust.  I trust the Board
>>>> and I
>>>>     trust that you are all well intentioned people who are doing the
>>>> best
>>>>     you can for ICANN.  I believe that none of you has an ulterior
>>>> motive of
>>>>     personal advantage for the positions you take.  I go so far in my
>>>> trust
>>>>     of the Board members as being among those who do not believe that a
>>>>     Board member would ever take a position just because it would help
>>>> him
>>>>     get elected and in the future would never believe that a Board
>>>> member
>>>>     would change her position due to a concern with being removed from
>>>> the
>>>>     Board.  I am sure that each and every Board member would resign
>>> >from the
>>>>     Board if they believed their effect were deleterious on ICANN and
>>>> the
>>>>     Internet.
>>>>
>>>>     My issue has to with with different perspectives.  Perspective from
>>>> the
>>>>     Board that holds all the power, and from the community that wishes
>>>> to
>>>>     become empowered, at leas to a degree.
>>>>
>>>>     While you say the the Single member is just a implementation issue,
>>>> I
>>>>     see you attacking one of the fundamental principles, in fact the
>>>>     keystone of the CCWG proposal.
>>>>
>>>>     I see in the Board's response a fear of the community and of the
>>>> all the
>>>>     bad things we might do if we were not kept tightly in check.  I
>>>> think
>>>>     this is problematic and may be a barrier to finding a solution to
>>>> the
>>>>     current impasse.
>>>>
>>>>     Some inset comments below.
>>>>
>>>>     On 07-Sep-15 04:22, "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         Hi Avri,
>>>>
>>>>         it is not easy for me to disagree with you. In most of the areas
>>>>         where we work together we have consensus or rough
>>>>         consensus.  But here we have one of this seldom cases of
>>>>         disagreement. I recognize your statement but I am asking myself
>>>>         whether it is grounded on facts or on mistrust?
>>>>
>>>>         What are the facts? For nearly all CCWG building blocks we have
>>>>         an agreement:
>>>>         €Community empowerment (Agreeement)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     I do not see the Board as agreeing with the basic proposal.  Maybe
>>>> it is
>>>>     a matter of degree. The Board wishes to empower the community to a
>>>> lower
>>>>     extent than the community considers empowerment.  As explained by
>>>> other,
>>>>     you want to give the community more appeal mechanisms, whereas on
>>>> some
>>>>     fundamental issues the community requires decision making
>>>> empowerment.
>>>>     The concepts are so far apart, it cannot be called 'agreement' in
>>>> any
>>>>     straightforward definition of the term..
>>>>
>>>>         €Removal of the Board (Agreement with some minor specifications)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Sort of ok. I think there is a bit of very unflattering conjecture
>>>> on
>>>>     the Board's part of a capricious and vengeful community.  Why do you
>>>>     fear us so?
>>>>
>>>>         €Fundamental Bylaws (Agreement)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Not really, the CCWG proposal required that the Community have a
>>>> direct
>>>>     say on changes to fundamental bylaws and articles of incorporation.
>>>>     Raising the Board's threshold and consultations do not match the
>>>>     requirements at all.  The are qualitatively different proposals.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         €Operational Plan (Agreement)
>>>>         €Budget (Agreement with some minor clarifictions)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     How minor are those clarifications?  My impression in the meeting
>>>> was
>>>>     that they, like many of the other 'minor' issues where actually
>>>> based on
>>>>     fundamental disagreements.
>>>>
>>>>         €Enforceability (Agreement)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     I think you make a mistake about this.  The Board seems to assume
>>>> that
>>>>     we want to run off to court every time we are thwarted.  Nothing
>>>> could
>>>>     be further from the truth.   The CCWG plan was designed to make
>>>> going to
>>>>     court the end of a very long chain of other options that should not
>>>> be
>>>>     necessary.  The Board seems to offer a fast path to court. The CCWG
>>>> plan
>>>>     balances the empowerment of the community with the empowerment of
>>>> the
>>>>     Board nd strengthened redress mechanisms. It creates a new
>>>> participant
>>>>     in the checks and balances.
>>>>
>>>>         €IRP (Agreement)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Without allowing for binding decisions, it can't be called
>>>> agreement.
>>>>
>>>>         €Ombudsman (Agreement)
>>>>
>>>>         We have a disagreement with regard to the Sole Membership Model.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Which is the keystone of the proposal and the reason that the other
>>>>     parts of the solution would work.
>>>>
>>>>         For me the remaining open issues can be solved by further
>>>>         intensification of the dialogue within the community including
>>>>         CCWG and Board members. We have enough legal advice from
>>>>         different perspectives. If needed, we could get a third legal
>>>>         advice. But at the end it is the community which has to make the
>>>>         decision.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     The community makes the decision?  I thought the situation here was
>>>> that
>>>>     ultimately the Board would make the decision.  Had the community
>>>> been
>>>>     making the decision, this process would have been like the CWG
>>>> process.
>>>>     Once we would have finished the last comment period we would have
>>>>     submitted out proposal and then we could have moded on to the
>>>>     implementation phase.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         This is the last mile. It is very natural that in such a
>>>>         complicated transition in the final stage there are some
>>>>         remaining controversies. In my eyes, there are not 20 miles to
>>>>         go (as Becky has proposed). The main work is done. And it is
>>>>         good work, also thanks to the CCWG, to its co-chairs, to its
>>>>         members and to the input from the broader community. The whole
>>>>         process is a very encouraging example which shows how the
>>>>         multistakeholder approach works in practice. This is an
>>>>         important signal also towards the WSIS 10+ Review process in New
>>>>         York.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     If the Board were closer to agreeing with the CCWG proposal, I
>>>> would be
>>>>     able to agree.  But given the explanations we have had of the MEM
>>>> and
>>>>     the Board's other possible solutions, I just do not see this.  To
>>>> me,
>>>>     this looks like the morning of a multiday bike bike tour when a
>>>> century*
>>>>     or two are left to the finish. But maybe it is more like a climb of
>>>>     Everest at the last stage - stage 4, but i have never tried that.
>>>>
>>>>     (*century as in 100 km or miles - lets go with km, that is a little
>>>>     better)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         The reason why I have problems with the sole membership model is
>>>>         simple: I am in favor of a new mechanism to strengthen the
>>>>         checks and balances in the ICANN system to keep the board (and
>>>>         the other ICANN bodies) accountable to the community. But in my
>>>>         eyes the proposed Sole Membership Model  is untested, has a
>>>>         number of risks and is open for unintended side-effects.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Whereas I see this as a fundamental check and balance element that
>>>>     compensates for the removal of ICANN's only external oversight.  An
>>>>     organization that removes formal external oversight needs a stronger
>>>>     notion of community oversight mechanisms.  The AOC reviews are a
>>>> good
>>>>     start, but we have seen that not only do the recommendations
>>>> sometimes
>>>>     get perverted in implementation (for example bylaws changes that
>>>> made
>>>>     the IRP less useful rather than more so, as had been recommended by
>>>>     ATRT1) or rather lackadaisically as we have seen with ATRT2
>>>>     recommendations that are green lighted for someday over the
>>>> rainbow.  As
>>>>     people pointed out to me frequently when I spoke of ATRT2
>>>>     recommendations, I mostly had to add: "but we are still waiting."
>>>>
>>>>     You speak of untested models. The only model that has been tested
>>>> is the
>>>>     current model without any changes.  And we have seen that this is a
>>>>     model that does nothing to curb the creative and spending
>>>> exuberance of
>>>>     the Board.  It is a model that will not work without ultimate
>>>> oversight
>>>>     somewhere.  This we can see strong evidence for.  As we become free
>>>> from
>>>>     government's ultimate control, we have to make sure that the
>>>> community,
>>>>     one that is ever outreaching, has adequate oversight.  We need the
>>>> SMCM
>>>>     in order to replace NTIA's ultimate responsibility. This cannot be a
>>>>     transition of the absence of oversight, but rather must be a
>>>> transition
>>>>     to community oversight. It is this that I don't think the Board has
>>>>     accepted, and that is the crux of the matter. I think it is
>>>> something
>>>>     that the CWG proposal requires.
>>>>
>>>>         I am not convinced that the proposed voting mechanism is save
>>>>         enough against capture. I did not get a satisfying rationale why
>>>>         Advisory Committees are treated so differently in the proposed
>>>>         mechanism. I have my doubts how governments can be included in
>>>>         an appropriate way into this new mechanism without touching the
>>>>         well designed balance between governments and the
>>>>         non-governmental stakeholders in the ICANN ecosystem.  And there
>>>>         are other detailed questions.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     In one respect, I  agree with you.  I want all ACSO to have equal
>>>>     footing in the SMCM, but am in the minority on that one as I want
>>>> its
>>>>     structure to resemble essence of the matrix balance that exists in
>>>> the
>>>>     ICANN system architecture. Nonetheless, I do not see major
>>>> opportunity
>>>>     for capture in the reference model as the initiation mechanisms for
>>>>     action and the vote thresholds are so high they do not facilitate
>>>>     capture. And the simpler we are allowed to implement, the less
>>>> chance
>>>>     there will be for capture and other shenanigans.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         The Sole Membership Model, as it is proposed now, is still too
>>>>         vague, too unbalanced, too confusing.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     I disagree.  It is fairly direct and limited.  It has defined scope
>>>> and
>>>>     functions.  The only fuzzy part is the voting thresholds and the
>>>>     modalities by which it worst internally, but that is an
>>>> implementation
>>>>     detail.
>>>>
>>>>         It is not yet ready for adoption.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     We disagree on this.
>>>>
>>>>            It needs a lot of more work.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     We agree on this, but those are implementation details.  That fact
>>>> of an
>>>>     SMCM is not a mere operationalization detail as the Board seems to
>>>>     claim, but its implementation modalities may be.
>>>>
>>>>         There are too many weak points. Go back to the table which was
>>>>         presented by Sidley in Paris where they showed us the plus and
>>>>         minus of the three models. It is true that the Sole Membership
>>>>         Model was the best of the three with more plus and less minus
>>>>         than the other two. But in total, all the three models were far
>>>>         away to meet the NTIA criteria, to be save enough against
>>>>         capture and to enhance ICANNs operational stability and
>>>>         security.  More innovation, more creativity and more careful
>>>>         analysis are needed. I raised my doubts in BA. I repeated this
>>>>         in Paris. And I raised my voice in the various telcos.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     I think you will find if you investigate it that many of the
>>>> weaknesses
>>>>     of the model have been dealt with.  perhaps Sidley and Adler will
>>>> help
>>>>     us with that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         My first proposal was to dislink the discussion of the sole
>>>>         membership model from WS 1 and to have more time to go into the
>>>>         details of such a needed new mechanism in WS 2. This is
>>>>         obviously impossible. We have to propose something here and now
>>>>         within WS 1. I know that some CCWG members have mistrust into a
>>>>         long-term process and speculate that if they do not get it now
>>>>         they will get it never. I think this is wrong.  The process is
>>>>         unstoppable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Again you miss the point about the SMCM being the the keystone in
>>>> this
>>>>     system construction.  Removing it requires going back to the
>>>> beginning
>>>>     as it holds everything together.
>>>>
>>>>     As soon as WS1 in complete, the process will be stoppable unless the
>>>>     community model has been implemented.  As long as the Board remains
>>>>     unchecked, and only accessible by appeal, a system that has failed
>>>> at
>>>>     ICANN since its beginnings, there will be no way fro redress Board
>>>>     actiions.  If there is one thing ICANN has nearly always failed in
>>>> it is
>>>>     redress mechanisms.   After all these years of failure in redress
>>>>     mechanism why should anyone be convinced on ICANN's future redress
>>>>     mechanisms.  Here we have proof of what doesn't work.  New RR, IRP,
>>>>     ombudsman roles roles &c, are the experimental part of this
>>>> proposal. I
>>>>     have faith that with a SMCM we can insure that there are genuine
>>>>     improvements to the redress mechanisms, but in today's Board
>>>>     configuration, it is impossible to believe in redress at ICANN.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         My impression is that the majority in the community sees this
>>>>         indeed as an ongoing process of ICANNs improvement which will
>>>>         not stop with the IANA transition. In BA I argued that after the
>>>>         IANA transition (WS 1) and an enhanced accountability (WS 2) we
>>>>         will need to discuss a restructuring of ICANN to adjust its
>>>>         various SOs and ACs and CCWGs to the new challenges of a
>>>>         changing environment. I did call this ³WS 3² and ³ICANN 2020².
>>>>         And I also argued that small steps are better than big jumps.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     Yes any organization that does not continually improve is doomed.
>>>> but
>>>>     we should get to a point of sufficient accountability in good time,
>>>> and
>>>>     leave the future to necessary tweaking.
>>>>
>>>>     I find the invention of WS3 to be the first step in the process of
>>>>     taking decisions out of WS2 and see it as the tip of the spear for
>>>>     thwarting future change. Anything hard, lets push it to WS2, and
>>>> then to
>>>>     WS3...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         More or less we are witnessing now what Bill Clinton told us in
>>>>         San Francisco that getting Internet Governance right is like
>>>>         stumbling forward. As longs as it goes forward, it is ok. And
>>>>         what we are doing now is to prepare the next (small) stumbling
>>>>         step forward.  With other words, we have to be patient and to do
>>>>         now what can be done now and what is needed under WS 1 to allow
>>>>         the termination of the IANA contract. But this will not be the
>>>>         end of the story. It will go on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     I am not quite the Bill Clinton fan you are.  And find that too much
>>>>     stumbling, as we often see among the Clintons, is not really the
>>>> best
>>>>     example.  Yes, if we are about to fall, stumbling forward is
>>>> preferable,
>>>>     but I would prefer to see us get our multistakeholder model beyond
>>>> the
>>>>     stumbling phase.
>>>>
>>>>     As for being patient, sorry, been too long coming.  We have been
>>>>     patient.   My experience is of at least of decade of 'soon come.'
>>>> For
>>>>     others it is  much longer.
>>>>
>>>>     But if patient I must be,  I am ready to be patient now and wait for
>>>>     transition until we are ready.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         And here is a final observation.  To put it ­ like Greg ­ as a
>>>>         conflict as ³Board on Top² vs. ³Community on Top² is misleading.
>>>>         Both the members of the Board and the members of the CCWG are
>>>>         selected by the community. Both are accountable to the
>>>>         community. As I said in the chat during the recent telco we all
>>>>         are sitting in one boat (or in one car) and want to have a
>>>>         better, stable, secure, efficient and accountable ICANN with
>>>>         more (and stress-tested) checks and balances in the system.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     The politics of Tops and Bottoms is always tough unless there is
>>>> real
>>>>     mutual trust of each party by the other. You claim that the
>>>> community
>>>>     does not trust the Board, that may be the case among some parts of
>>>> the
>>>>     community.  I claim that a far greater lack of trust is displayed
>>>> by the
>>>>     Board for the community.  I think many of your comments are colored
>>>> by a
>>>>     pervasive distrust of the community and its purported drive to
>>>> capture
>>>>     and game.
>>>>
>>>>     Once a community member becomes a Board member she adopts a new
>>>>     perspective and set of responsibilities.  This is what makes the
>>>> Board
>>>>     another part of the community while not representing the community.
>>>> For
>>>>     a the Board to become a genuine member of the community, it needs to
>>>>     give up its role as benevolent despot and accept the need for the
>>>>     community to balance its power. ICANN needs a community that can
>>>> check
>>>>     and balance the Board's unilateral power.
>>>>
>>>>     The CCWG model defines a degree of power sharing between the two as
>>>> the
>>>>     best solution for replacing NTIA oversight.
>>>>
>>>>     avri
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         Wolfgang
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>         Von: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>>>>         <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> im
>>>>         Auftrag von Avri Doria
>>>>         Gesendet: Sa 05.09.2015 08:17
>>>>         An: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>>>         <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>>>>         Betreff: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Blog: Working Together Through The Last
>>>>         Mile
>>>>         Hi,
>>>>
>>>>         The effort to spin the replacement recommendation as just
>>>>         operationalization is impressive.
>>>>
>>>>         I do not understand the references to capture unless they mean
>>>>         capture
>>>>         by the community from the Board.  I suppose that from their
>>>>         perspective
>>>>         the CMSM would appear to be capture in and of itself, as it
>>>>         gives the
>>>>         community a share of the power they now hold for themselves.  I
>>>>         think
>>>>         any discussion of capture that goes beyond FUD, needs an
>>>>         analysis who
>>>>         who has captured the current ICANN model.  Capture is always an
>>>>         interesting topic because it often means: "who is trying to
>>>> share my
>>>>         power now?"  I am all for opening up the discussion to the power
>>>>         anlaysi, current, potential and likely.
>>>>
>>>>         Additionally, I do not understand this statement:
>>>>
>>>>             where the current proposal still warrants much detail that
>>>>             may not be
>>>>             achievable
>>>>
>>>>         While it is true that is needs a bit more detail, though perhaps
>>>>         much
>>>>         less that is being claimed - until it is time for implementaton,
>>>>         it is
>>>>         not as bad as all of that.  What do they mean that an adequate
>>>>         level of
>>>>         detail is not achievable? Though I have learned that if someone
>>>>         does not
>>>>         wish to accept a proposal, it can never have enough detail.
>>>>
>>>>         I think we are facing a critical moment in this transition where
>>>>         we, as
>>>>         a community, will have to decide whether we want the transition
>>>>         so badly
>>>>         that we are willing to surrender and let the Board have complete
>>>>         control
>>>>         without any possibility of ever being subject to oversight ever
>>>>         again.
>>>>         The transition is the time to switch from NTIA oversight to
>>>>         community
>>>>         oversight.  If this is not possible, then perhaps the transition
>>>>         should
>>>>         not go forward.
>>>>
>>>>         We need to consider this turn of affairs quite carefully.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         avri
>>>>
>>>>         On 04-Sep-15 15:53, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
>>>>
>>>>             Original
>>>>             link:
>>>>             
>>>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/working-together-through-the-last-mile
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>             I'd like to thank everyone who has participated in both the
>>>> CCWG
>>>>             briefing to the ICANN Board
>>>>             
>>>> <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56132981>,
>>>>             and the CCWG and ICANN board dialogue
>>>>             
>>>> <https://community.icann.org/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=56133316>.
>>>>             All of our dialogues over the past months have been
>>>>             illuminating,
>>>>             challenging and in my opinion, an important and true
>>>>             testament to the
>>>>             multistakeholder model as we work toward the IANA
>>>>             Stewardship Transition.
>>>>
>>>>             */We support the important improvements for ICANN's
>>>>             accountability
>>>>             contained in the CCWG-Accountability's 2nd Draft Proposal.
>>>>             We endorse
>>>>             the goal of enforceability of these accountability
>>>>             mechanisms, and we
>>>>             believe that it is possible to implement the key elements
>>>> of the
>>>>             proposal. We want to work together to achieve the elements
>>>>             of the
>>>>             proposal within the community's timeline while meeting
>>>>             the NTIA requirements./*
>>>>
>>>>             As we enter the final days of the Public Comment period, the
>>>>             Board
>>>>             wants to be completely clear on our position. We are in
>>>>             agreement on
>>>>             key concepts set forward in the CCWG's proposal, for
>>>> example:
>>>>
>>>>                 * Fundamental bylaws.
>>>>                 * Specific requirements for empowering the community
>>>>             into the bylaws
>>>>                   adoption process.
>>>>                 * IRP enhancements.
>>>>                 * Board and director removal.
>>>>                 * ICANN's mission and core values.
>>>>                 * Strengthening requirements for empowering the
>>>>             community in the
>>>>                   budget, operational and strategic planning process.
>>>>                 * The incorporation of the Affirmation of Commitments
>>>>             Reviews
>>>>                   intoICANN bylaws.
>>>>                 * Community ability to enforce the accountability
>>>>             mechanisms in the
>>>>                   bylaws.
>>>>
>>>>             We have suggestions on how these could be operationalized.
>>>> With
>>>>             regards to the mechanisms for community enforceability,
>>>>             where the
>>>>             current proposal still warrants much detail that may not be
>>>>             achievable
>>>>             we have a suggestion on how to deliver on it in a stable
>>>> way, as
>>>>             increased enforceability must not open up questions of, for
>>>>             example,
>>>>             capture or diminishing of checks and balances.
>>>>
>>>>             Let's work together on operationalizing the above principles
>>>>             on which
>>>>             we agree. Once again, we are committed to providing more
>>>>             detail on how
>>>>             these ideas can be operationalized in a way that they can be
>>>>             implemented within the community identified time frame for
>>>> the
>>>>             transition, as well as have sufficient tested grounds to not
>>>>             result in
>>>>             unintended consequences.
>>>>
>>>>             During last night's discussion we shared this feedback. It
>>>>             was a lot
>>>>             of information to digest in a call (notes around opening
>>>> remarks
>>>>             
>>>> <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Septem
>>>> ber/005160.html>,
>>>>             notes
>>>>             around 10 points
>>>>             
>>>> <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Septem
>>>> ber/005161.html>
>>>>             
>>>> <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-Septem
>>>> ber/005161.html%3E>),
>>>>             and we appreciate everyone giving our advice consideration.
>>>>             We are
>>>>             committed to submitting our comments into the Public Comment
>>>>             process
>>>>             in the next few days, and we look forward to the working
>>>>             with the
>>>>             community on further details.
>>>>
>>>>             It is critical that we work together to build enhanced
>>>>             accountability
>>>>             forICANN and continue to refine and flesh out details of the
>>>>             impressive work already done by the community and complete
>>>>             the IANAStewardship Transition.
>>>>
>>>>
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