[CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC
matthew shears
mshears at cdt.org
Wed Jul 13 19:28:52 UTC 2016
Completely agree with Greg.
On 13/07/2016 19:58, Greg Shatan wrote:
> I object, and I think many others objected, to the idea that advice
> from inhouse (i.e., ICANN legal) should be the "default." We retained
> independent counsel to the CCWG for good reasons, and those reasons
> are still applicable today. I hope we don't need to rehash that.
>
> We need the continued ability and discretion to go directly to CCWG's
> counsel. Requesting inhouse to solicit an opinion from an external
> counsel is not only "cumbersome," it's absolutely antithetical to the
> relationship between CCWG and its independent counsel.
>
> I strongly believe that the "default" must be the status quo, i.e.,
> that the CCWG (through reasonable processes) has the ability and
> discretion to turn to its own counsel. Further, I strongly believe
> that CCWG's independent counsel must remain Sidley Austin and Adler &
> Colvin. They have been up a tremendous learning curve and worked with
> us every step of the way. It would be folly to cast that aside. It's
> worth noting that Sidley is a full-service law firm with offices
> outside the US in Beijing, Brussels, Geneva, Hong Kong, London,
> Munich, Shanghai, Singapore, Sydney and Tokyo. I'm confident that
> Sidley (and Adler) will (a) tell us when they don't have the expertise
> to help us, and (b) work with us on working methods to make our use of
> the firms more cost-effective.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Rudolph Daniel <rudi.daniel at gmail.com
> <mailto:rudi.daniel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Based on comments on the call today, IMO; A good body of knowledge
> was accquired on the subject of legal requests in wg1. WG2 legal
> resources would be both inhouse and external, from start, We
> should be much more efficient this time around. Each sub however
> will have their needs and there may be requests applicable across
> the subgroups and/or specific to a subgroup.
> So, that suggests close relationship between budget control and
> the former legal request team [reconfigured and/or augmented] who
> would have to coordinate requests across ws2 sub
> groups as i see it.
> What determines the initial choice inhouse/external resources may
> be a matter of consensus, but it may be prudent to consider the
> process as [default] inhouse with the flexible and necessary
> option of external sources by consensus [as the fog clears so to
> speak]. I think it may be cumbersome to request inhouse to solicit
> an opinion from an external, because there may arise an instance
> where; on the strength of an opinion, [inhouse or external] ; a
> wg2 may wish to reframe and seek alternative advise elswhere.
> rd
>
>
>
> Rudi Daniel
> /danielcharles consulting
> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774>/
> *
> *
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Vinay Kesari
> <vinay.kesari at gmail.com <mailto:vinay.kesari at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I was unfortunately unable to join the call as I was on a
> flight at the time, my apologies. I've just had a chance to
> catch up on the Adobe Connect recording, and I'm happy to
> reconfirm my willingness and availability to serve as a
> rapporteur. Also, I agree with the thrust of Kavouss' comment
> at 0:24:30, and affirm my commitment to serve impartially. I
> look forward to working with Greg on the jurisdiction subgroup.
>
> Separately, on the issue of allocation of legal requests, I
> agree that we need further discussion, and endorse creating an
> Option 3 based on the points made and the specific
> requirements of the different WS2 subgroups.
>
> Regards,
> Vinay
>
>
> On 12 July 2016 at 20:55, Mathieu Weill
> <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Attached is a short set of slides to support our
> discussion on agenda item #4
>
> Talk to you in a few hours
>
> Mathieu
>
> *De :*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
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> *De la part de* MSSI Secretariat
> *Envoyé :* lundi 11 juillet 2016 19:46
> *À :* CCWG-Accountability
> *Objet :* [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting -
> 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC
>
> Good day all,
>
> In preparation for your call, CCWG Accountability WS2
> Meeting #2<https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw>– Tuesday,
> 12 July @ 20:00 – 22:00 UTC. Time zone converter here
> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2>
>
> *Proposed Agenda:*
>
> 1. Welcome, SOI
>
> 2. Articles of Incorporation : finalize submission
>
> 3. Appointment of rapporteurs for WS2 – next steps
>
> 4. Legal Cost Control Mechanism : initial discussion
>
> 5. AOB
>
> 6. Closing
>
> *Adobe Connect:
> *https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/
>
> Thank you!
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Brenda Brewer
>
> MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant
>
> ICANN-**Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>
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