[CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC
avri doria
avri at apc.org
Thu Jul 14 02:19:31 UTC 2016
Hi,
I can't imagine we would agree with ICANN in house legal being our
default. Not even sure I understand why it is being considered.
Which of the firms maps to each of the issues?
avri
On 13-Jul-16 15:28, matthew shears wrote:
>
> Completely agree with Greg.
>
>
> On 13/07/2016 19:58, Greg Shatan wrote:
>> I object, and I think many others objected, to the idea that advice
>> from inhouse (i.e., ICANN legal) should be the "default." We
>> retained independent counsel to the CCWG for good reasons, and those
>> reasons are still applicable today. I hope we don't need to rehash that.
>>
>> We need the continued ability and discretion to go directly to CCWG's
>> counsel. Requesting inhouse to solicit an opinion from an external
>> counsel is not only "cumbersome," it's absolutely antithetical to the
>> relationship between CCWG and its independent counsel.
>>
>> I strongly believe that the "default" must be the status quo, i.e.,
>> that the CCWG (through reasonable processes) has the ability and
>> discretion to turn to its own counsel. Further, I strongly believe
>> that CCWG's independent counsel must remain Sidley Austin and Adler &
>> Colvin. They have been up a tremendous learning curve and worked
>> with us every step of the way. It would be folly to cast that
>> aside. It's worth noting that Sidley is a full-service law firm with
>> offices outside the US in Beijing, Brussels, Geneva, Hong Kong,
>> London, Munich, Shanghai, Singapore, Sydney and Tokyo. I'm confident
>> that Sidley (and Adler) will (a) tell us when they don't have the
>> expertise to help us, and (b) work with us on working methods to make
>> our use of the firms more cost-effective.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Rudolph Daniel
>> <rudi.daniel at gmail.com <mailto:rudi.daniel at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Based on comments on the call today, IMO; A good body of
>> knowledge was accquired on the subject of legal requests in wg1.
>> WG2 legal resources would be both inhouse and external, from
>> start, We should be much more efficient this time around. Each
>> sub however will have their needs and there may be requests
>> applicable across the subgroups and/or specific to a subgroup.
>> So, that suggests close relationship between budget control and
>> the former legal request team [reconfigured and/or augmented] who
>> would have to coordinate requests across ws2 sub
>> groups as i see it.
>> What determines the initial choice inhouse/external resources may
>> be a matter of consensus, but it may be prudent to consider the
>> process as [default] inhouse with the flexible and necessary
>> option of external sources by consensus [as the fog clears so to
>> speak]. I think it may be cumbersome to request inhouse to
>> solicit an opinion from an external, because there may arise an
>> instance where; on the strength of an opinion, [inhouse or
>> external] ; a wg2 may wish to reframe and seek
>> alternative advise elswhere.
>> rd
>>
>>
>>
>> Rudi Daniel
>> /danielcharles consulting
>> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774>/
>> *
>> *
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Vinay Kesari
>> <vinay.kesari at gmail.com <mailto:vinay.kesari at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> I was unfortunately unable to join the call as I was on a
>> flight at the time, my apologies. I've just had a chance to
>> catch up on the Adobe Connect recording, and I'm happy to
>> reconfirm my willingness and availability to serve as a
>> rapporteur. Also, I agree with the thrust of Kavouss' comment
>> at 0:24:30, and affirm my commitment to serve impartially. I
>> look forward to working with Greg on the jurisdiction subgroup.
>>
>> Separately, on the issue of allocation of legal requests, I
>> agree that we need further discussion, and endorse creating
>> an Option 3 based on the points made and the specific
>> requirements of the different WS2 subgroups.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Vinay
>>
>>
>> On 12 July 2016 at 20:55, Mathieu Weill
>> <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Colleagues,
>>
>>
>>
>> Attached is a short set of slides to support our
>> discussion on agenda item #4
>>
>>
>>
>> Talk to you in a few hours
>>
>> Mathieu
>>
>>
>>
>> *De :*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
>> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
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>> *De la part de* MSSI Secretariat
>> *Envoyé :* lundi 11 juillet 2016 19:46
>> *À :* CCWG-Accountability
>> *Objet :* [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting -
>> 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC
>>
>>
>>
>> Good day all,
>>
>> In preparation for your call, CCWG Accountability WS2
>> Meeting #2
>> <https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw>– Tuesday, 12 July
>> @ 20:00 – 22:00 UTC. Time zone converter here
>> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2>
>>
>>
>> *Proposed Agenda:*
>>
>> 1. Welcome, SOI
>>
>> 2. Articles of Incorporation : finalize submission
>>
>> 3. Appointment of rapporteurs for WS2 – next steps
>>
>> 4. Legal Cost Control Mechanism : initial discussion
>>
>> 5. AOB
>>
>> 6. Closing
>>
>>
>>
>> *Adobe Connect:
>> *https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>> With kind regards,
>>
>> Brenda Brewer
>>
>> MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant
>>
>> ICANN-**Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers
>>
>>
>>
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