[CCWG-ACCT] TR: CCWG Accountability comment

[Nigel Roberts]

We don't need to fret over your predilection for polyptotony here.

"Until" is entirely as good as "unless and until".

UNLESS, that is you can give an example of how the temporal condition 
might be fulfilled without the categorical condition automatically also 
obtaining??






On 21/05/16 11:19, Niels ten Oever wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Am not sure if it is procedurally a good idea to have the lawyers make
> decisions on behalf of the CCWG, especially if there was consensus in
> the CCWG.
>
> Also I think 'until' implies a temporal condition, whereas unless
> implies a categorical condition, which I think is structurally different.
>
> Best,
>
> Niels
>
>
>
> On 05/18/2016 09:26 AM, Thomas Rickert wrote:
>> Hi Niels,
>> we had been advised by our law firms that there is no real legal
>> difference between the two alternatives, which is why the comment has
>> not made its way into the final version of the CCWG comment if memory
>> does not fail me. If you still think this needs fixing, please do submit
>> a comment to bring it to the attention of the drafting teams.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
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>> Am 17.05.2016 um 10:36 schrieb Niels ten Oever <lists at nielstenoever.net
>> <mailto:lists at nielstenoever.net>>:
>>
>>> Dear Mathieu,
>>>
>>> Thanks for this. There is an issue related to the Human Rights bylaw,
>>> which we have discussed and on which I think we reach agreement that has
>>> not been addressed in the CCWG public comment. Namely the comment made
>>> by Seth underneath, the exclusion of the text "unless and", about which
>>> I thought we reached consensus.
>>>
>>> Since the CCWG comments have already been submitted, how would you
>>> advice to proceed on this matter?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Niels
>>>
>>>
>>> On 05/13/2016 07:45 PM, Seth Johnson wrote:
>>>> Note for all: This does not address the inclusion of "unless and" in
>>>> Section 27.3 (a), which makes the FOI on HR conditional and does not
>>>> reflect the CCWG Report which only says the Core Value is not in force
>>>> "until" the FOI is developed.  Already said this, with some support.
>>>> Repeating for reference once again.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Seth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Mathieu Weill
>>>> <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Attached is the comment posted to the public comment forum on the Draft
>>>>> Icann Bylaws on our behalf. Thanks to all of you for contributing to
>>>>> this
>>>>> effort.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas, Leon & Mathieu
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> De : Mathieu Weill [mailto:weill at afnic.fr]
>>>>> Envoyé : vendredi 13 mai 2016 18:19
>>>>> À : 'comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16 at icann.org
>>>>> <mailto:comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16 at icann.org>'
>>>>> Objet : CCWG Accountability comment
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Please find enclosed the comment submitted on behalf of the Cross
>>>>> Community
>>>>> Working Group en Enhancing Icann’s Accountability.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thomas Rickert, Leon Felipe Sanchez and Mathieu Weill
>>>>>
>>>>> Co-chairs
>>>>>
>>>>>
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