[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG Accountability comment

[Thomas Rickert]

Hi Niels,
while I stand by the assessment that the different language does not have a legal impact, I was not referring to a decision made by the lawyers, but by our group based on the lawyer’s input.

Best,
Thomas


> Am 21.05.2016 um 12:19 schrieb Niels ten Oever <lists at nielstenoever.net>:
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> Am not sure if it is procedurally a good idea to have the lawyers make
> decisions on behalf of the CCWG, especially if there was consensus in
> the CCWG.
> 
> Also I think 'until' implies a temporal condition, whereas unless
> implies a categorical condition, which I think is structurally different.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Niels
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/18/2016 09:26 AM, Thomas Rickert wrote:
>> Hi Niels,
>> we had been advised by our law firms that there is no real legal
>> difference between the two alternatives, which is why the comment has
>> not made its way into the final version of the CCWG comment if memory
>> does not fail me. If you still think this needs fixing, please do submit
>> a comment to bring it to the attention of the drafting teams.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>> 
>> ---
>> rickert.net <http://rickert.net/> <http://rickert.net <http://rickert.net/>>
>> eco.de <http://eco.de/> <http://eco.de <http://eco.de/>>
>> 
>> 
>> Am 17.05.2016 um 10:36 schrieb Niels ten Oever <lists at nielstenoever.net <mailto:lists at nielstenoever.net>
>> <mailto:lists at nielstenoever.net <mailto:lists at nielstenoever.net>>>:
>> 
>>> Dear Mathieu,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for this. There is an issue related to the Human Rights bylaw,
>>> which we have discussed and on which I think we reach agreement that has
>>> not been addressed in the CCWG public comment. Namely the comment made
>>> by Seth underneath, the exclusion of the text "unless and", about which
>>> I thought we reached consensus.
>>> 
>>> Since the CCWG comments have already been submitted, how would you
>>> advice to proceed on this matter?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Niels
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 05/13/2016 07:45 PM, Seth Johnson wrote:
>>>> Note for all: This does not address the inclusion of "unless and" in
>>>> Section 27.3 (a), which makes the FOI on HR conditional and does not
>>>> reflect the CCWG Report which only says the Core Value is not in force
>>>> "until" the FOI is developed.  Already said this, with some support.
>>>> Repeating for reference once again.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Seth
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:23 PM, Mathieu Weill
>>>> <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr> <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr <mailto:mathieu.weill at afnic.fr>>> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Colleagues,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Attached is the comment posted to the public comment forum on the Draft
>>>>> Icann Bylaws on our behalf. Thanks to all of you for contributing to
>>>>> this
>>>>> effort.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> https://forum.icann.org/lists/comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thomas, Leon & Mathieu
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> De : Mathieu Weill [mailto:weill at afnic.fr]
>>>>> Envoyé : vendredi 13 mai 2016 18:19
>>>>> À : 'comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16 at icann.org <mailto:comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16 at icann.org>
>>>>> <mailto:comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16 at icann.org <mailto:comments-draft-new-bylaws-21apr16 at icann.org>>'
>>>>> Objet : CCWG Accountability comment
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please find enclosed the comment submitted on behalf of the Cross
>>>>> Community
>>>>> Working Group en Enhancing Icann’s Accountability.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thomas Rickert, Leon Felipe Sanchez and Mathieu Weill
>>>>> 
>>>>> Co-chairs
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list
>>>>> Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org>
>>>>> <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org>>
>>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community <https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community>
>>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Niels ten Oever
>>> Head of Digital
>>> 
>>> Article 19
>>> www.article19.org <http://www.article19.org/> <http://www.article19.org <http://www.article19.org/>>
>>> 
>>> PGP fingerprint    8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4
>>>                  678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list
>>> Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org>
>>> <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org <mailto:Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org>>
>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
> 
> --
> Niels ten Oever
> Head of Digital
> 
> Article 19
> www.article19.org
> 
> PGP fingerprint    8D9F C567 BEE4 A431 56C4
>                   678B 08B5 A0F2 636D 68E9
> _______________________________________________
> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list
> Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community

-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/attachments/20160521/e25e6ee6/attachment-0001.html>
-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 496 bytes
Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail
URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/attachments/20160521/e25e6ee6/signature-0001.asc>