[CCWG-ACCT] Terminology for the ICANN trinity

[Nigel Roberts]

I don't care about ideology one way or t'other.

I care about comprehension and communication.

On 07/03/17 17:17, avri doria wrote:
> Hi,
>
> My normal inclination would have been to use Organization to mean all of
> us in the multistakeholder trinity (board, community and staff) as many
> have argued.  But since Goran was seemingly set on his usage, I am
> worried about us building in a permanent confusion/ambiguity.  Thus my
> search for another way to refer to it.  It is also why I included Staff
> as an aka for ICANN Organization, trying to keep our standard usage as
> well as allow for the CEO's usage.
>
> Trying to be pragmatic and not ideological about this.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 07-Mar-17 10:53, Greg Shatan wrote:
>> I think it makes sense to refer to the *legal entity* known as the
>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers as the
>> "Corporation" (which is a term of US law (not just California law)
>> used for non-profit incorporated entities (including public interest
>> entities, charities, foundations, membership organizations, etc.)).
>>
>> Where we are referring to something other than the that legal entity,
>> we should not use "corporation."
>>
>> I believe that Goran is using Organization to refer to the "staff"
>> (CEO on down, both employees and those who may be engaged on an
>> "independent contractor" or "consultant" basis), but not to the Board
>> (which is also part of the Corporation), but we may want to clarify.
>>
>> I agree with Stephen Deerhake that we need to be mindful of existing
>> terms and use them as our basis.  The corollary to that is to avoid
>> using any currently-used terms differently than their current use --
>> so we should not contradict Goran's use of "organization" (once we
>> confirm exactly how he uses it and what the "boundaries" of his
>> definition are).
>>
>> Greg
>>
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>>
>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:28 AM, Schweighofer Erich
>> <erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at
>> <mailto:erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at>> wrote:
>>
>>     It is good to work on terminology but it should be a common effort
>>     and reflecting real language use. ICANN-speak is already a strong
>>     "border" joining our community. Some ontology work can help.
>>     I would prefer organization - corporation is very much a term of
>>     California law not much used outside for a public purpose association.
>>     Best regards, Erich Schweighofer
>>
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>>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] Im
>>     Auftrag von Bruce Tonkin
>>     Gesendet: Sonntag, 05. März 2017 01:29
>>     An: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>>     Betreff: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Terminology for the ICANN trinity
>>
>>     >>  Make it as simple as possible so that ICANN outsiders will
>>     understand it.
>>
>>     >>  Thanks to the 1000+ acronyms ICANN has created enough
>>     confusion not only among the "people in the street" who arer using
>>     domainnames but also among Internet policy makers who are not
>>     ICANN insiders but have to deal with implications conming fro
>>     domainnames.
>>
>>     Yes - where possible I prefer we use terminology in common use in
>>     the wider community.
>>
>>     I would generally think that "organization" or "corporation"
>>     refers to Board, staff, and contractors.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>     Bruce Tonkin
>>
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