[Accountability-dt] Updated version for review & outstanding action items
León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
leonfelipe at sanchez.mx
Mon Nov 3 00:51:45 UTC 2014
Dear Tijani,
I agree with your suggestions.
Best regards,
Leon
> El 02/11/2014, a las 14:51, Tijani BEN JEMAA <tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn> escribió:
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> Fine with me too. There are small remarks:
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> Section V
> Board consideration and interaction with CCWG-Accountability and chartering organizations:
> Before submitting a modified recommendation is submitted to the ICANN Board of Directors, as envisioned under 5. of the by the Board resolution, the CCWG-Accountability will submit a Draft Supplemental Board Report to the chartering organizations containing:
> a) The modified recommendations, and associated detailed rationale,
> b) The Board decision, and associated detailed rationale
> c) The recommendation as contained in the Board Report
> Following submission of the Draft Supplemental Board Report, the chartering organizations shall discuss and decide in accordance with its their own rules and procedures whether to adopt the modified recommendations contained in the report. The Chairs of the chartering organizations shall notify the co-chairs of the CCWG-Accountability of the result of the deliberations as soon as feasible.
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> “is submitted” should be removed
> “of the by the Board resolution” doesn’t seem to be correct
> “its” should be replaced by “their”
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> De : accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org>] De la part de Fares, David
> Envoyé : dimanche 2 novembre 2014 19:04
> À : Drazek, Keith; Avri Doria
> Cc : accountability-dt at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>
> Objet : Re: [Accountability-dt] Updated version for review & outstanding action items
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> Fine with me as well.
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> From: accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Drazek, Keith
> Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 4:51 PM
> To: Avri Doria
> Cc: accountability-dt at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [Accountability-dt] Updated version for review & outstanding action items
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> Thanks Avri. Makes sense to me.
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> Keith
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Nov 1, 2014, at 8:14 AM, "Avri Doria" <avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org>> wrote:
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>> Hi,
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>> I have been told that there is an ambiguity when Private Sector is heard.
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>> Some people hear non-governmental ( as I do )
>> Some people hear business/commercial
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>> Given that I am coming from the non commercial side of private sector I now believe that to avoid that ambiguity, I suggest we should refer to it as non-governmental multistakeholder led.
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>> avri
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>> On 01-Nov-14 00:01, Fares, David wrote:
>>> In the context of ICANN, private sector has meant non-governmental.
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>>> From: Tijani BEN JEMAA [mailto:tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn>]
>>> Sent: 31 October 2014 14:29
>>> To: Fares, David; 'Drazek, Keith'; accountability-dt at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>
>>> Subject: RE: [Accountability-dt] Updated version for review & outstanding action items
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>>> Indeed. But why private sector led???
>>> Multi-stakeholder means all the stakeholders, all parties.
>>>
>>> And the form of the replacement is not known yet. This is not our job. I know that there are several people pushing towards that model, but it is not a fact, and it is not our job.
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>>> Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>> Executive Director
>>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
>>> Phone: + 216 41 649 605
>>> Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
>>> Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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>>> De : Fares, David [mailto:DFares at 21cf.com <mailto:DFares at 21cf.com>]
>>> Envoyé : vendredi 31 octobre 2014 11:32
>>> À : tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn <mailto:tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn><mailto:tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn> <mailto:tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn>; 'Drazek, Keith'; accountability-dt at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org><mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>
>>> Objet : RE: [Accountability-dt] Updated version for review & outstanding action items
>>>
>>> Tijani,
>>>
>>> One of the conditions for the transition set by NTIA is that the new system must be multi-stakeholder and non-governmental.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> From: accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org><mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>> Sent: 31 October 2014 09:02
>>> To: 'Drazek, Keith'; accountability-dt at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org><mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Accountability-dt] Updated version for review & outstanding action items
>>>
>>> Keith,
>>>
>>> You seem to be sure that the NTIA will be replaced by a "private-sector-led multi-stakeholder community". I think you are going too far.
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>>> In our charter, we are not supposed to give such scenario. Once again, we are overtaking our role.
>>> As I said before, this is not a normal situation; The working group normally drafts its own charter and propose it to the chartering organizations. Now, we are drafting the charter of the CCWG and shouldn't do the work of the WG. We only should define the mission, the working method and the timeline. We end giving the replacement of the NTIA which is even not in the scope of the accountability CCWG.
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>>> Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>> Executive Director
>>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
>>> Phone: + 216 41 649 605
>>> Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
>>> Fax: + 216 70 853 376
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>>> De : accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org><mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org>] De la part de Drazek, Keith
>>> Envoyé : jeudi 30 octobre 2014 13:36
>>> À : accountability-dt at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org><mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>
>>> Objet : Re: [Accountability-dt] Updated version for review & outstanding action items
>>>
>>> Thanks very much, Grace.
>>>
>>> I think these most recent quotes from both Larry Strickling and Fadi Chehadé are very instructive.
>>>
>>> The scope of the ICANN Accountability CCWG must be necessarily broad and all-encompassing, while the scope of Work Stream #1 will address the "mechanisms that need to be put in place to prevent bad things from happening" once NTIA disengages from its legacy role as counter-party to the IANA functions contract. This is in no way limited to the IANA functions themselves - that's for the CWG on IANA Transition to address - but about the implications for the entire community when NTIA sets ICANN free.
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>>> The key questions for Workstream # are:
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>>> · How do we as a community ensure ICANN is accountable to us once the threat of a IANA functions contract rebid is gone?
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>>> · What mechanisms are needed to ensure ICANN's accountability to the private-sector-led multi-stakeholder community once NTIA has disengaged from its stewardship role?
>>>
>>> Looking forward to today's call.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Keith
>>>
>>> From: accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org><mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org> [mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt-bounces at icann.org>] On Behalf Of Grace Abuhamad
>>> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 8:00 AM
>>> To: Matthew Shears; Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr><mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr> <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr>; Fares, David; Marika Konings; accountability-dt at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org><mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Accountability-dt] Updated version for review & outstanding action items
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> It's been brought to my attention that I missed a comment by Larry Strickling in the Q/A part of the session at ICANN51 (13 October). Larry was responding to a question by Steve Del Bianco. The text is as follows:
>>>
>>>>> Larry Strickling: so I -- so for example, I have noted in prior public statements that the absence of a board recall mechanism for the community, that would seem to me to be the kind of question that would definitely be within the more limited initial scope of the accountability --
>>> Now, that's a big issue. It's not a tiny issue whatsoever. But it does seem to me those are the kinds of issues people will have concern about when they're thinking about what would happen if -- what prevents this organization from spinning out of control when the US contract isn't there any longer.
>>>
>>> Nobody expects it to happen, but I think all of us, to be responsible to this transition, need to think through those possibilities and understand what mechanisms exist today or need to be put into place to prevent bad things like that from happening.
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>>>
>>> Talk to you soon,
>>> Grace
>>>
>>> From: Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org><mailto:mshears at cdt.org> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>
>>> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 5:32 AM
>>> To: Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org <mailto:grace.abuhamad at icann.org><mailto:grace.abuhamad at icann.org> <mailto:grace.abuhamad at icann.org>>, "Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr><mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr> <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr>" <Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr><mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr> <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr>>, "Fares, David" <DFares at 21cf.com <mailto:DFares at 21cf.com><mailto:DFares at 21cf.com> <mailto:DFares at 21cf.com>>, Marika Konings <marika.k! <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>
>>> onings at i <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>
>>> cann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org><mailto:marika.konings at icann.org> <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>, "accountability-dt at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org><mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>" <accountability-dt at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org><mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Accountability-dt] Updated version for review & outstanding action items
>>>
>>> Thanks Grace - very helpful.
>>>
>>> For our purposes I think Chehade's comments are most useful:
>>>
>>> "One to deal with accountability mechanisms that must be reinforced or added before the transition occurs or along with the transition -- and this is something Assistant Secretary Strickling made clear in his speech in Istanbul, that he will be looking for community consensus, community consensus, on how we improve our accountability with regard specifically to the transition, and then in parallel, another group - - because we are also receiving these requests -- needs to look at the broader ICANN accountability and governance improvements that we need to do that may not need to be necessarily taken care of before a transition occurs."
>>>
>>> To paraphrase: 1) improvements (in light of the changing relationship with the USG) to ICANN's accountability and governance that are specific to and necessary to take place before the transition, and 2) improvements to ICANN's accountability and governance more broadly that "may not need to be taken care of before" the transition.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>> On 10/30/2014 9:00 AM, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I sent the compiled comments on Monday. Were they not received? Here attached again just in case.
>>>
>>> Talk to you all soon,
>>> Grace
>>>
>>> From: Matthew Shears <mshears at cdt.org <mailto:mshears at cdt.org><mailto:mshears at cdt.org> <mailto:mshears at cdt.org>>
>>> Date: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:45 AM
>>> To: "Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr><mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr> <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr>" <Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr><mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr> <mailto:Mathieu.Weill at afnic.fr>>, "Fares, David" <DFares at 21cf.com <mailto:DFares at 21cf.com><mailto:DFares at 21cf.com> <mailto:DFares at 21cf.com>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org><mailto:marika.konings at icann.org> <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>, "accountability-dt at icann! <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>
>>> .org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>
>>> <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>" <accountability-dt at icann.org <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org><mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org> <mailto:accountability-dt at icann.org>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Accountability-dt] Updated version for review & outstanding action items
>>>
>>> This is a useful discussion and it would be good to see the related statements by Strickling and Chehade at ICANN LA meeting.
>>>
>>> I note the following from https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/process-next-steps-2014-10-10-en <https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/process-next-steps-2014-10-10-en>
>>>
>>> · Scope of the accountability process - two work streams: The topic of accountability is important, and in the discussions around this process, areas and topics have been identified that are important to enhancing ICANN's accountability but not directly related to accountability in the context of the changing historical relationship with the USG.
>>>
>>> o To ensure that over time there's a mechanism to ensure coverage of all areas, including topics outside of the immediate scope of the process, a suggestion is that the CCWG establish two work streams or subgroups: one focused on the scope of the work on enhancing ICANN accountability in light of the changing relationship with the USG within the time frame of the transition (Work Stream 1); and a second focused on addressing topics on accountability outside the scope of Work Stream 1, which are longer term (and may include, for example, recommendations from the recent ATRT2 addressing current accountability mechanisms such as the Ombudsman, the Reconsideration process and the Independent Review process) (Work Stream 2). This could be reflected in the CCWG's Charter.
>>> My bolding but I think it does point to the need to have a more open-ended scope in the Charter that is not parametered by a relationship to the IANA transition. Otherwise we would only need one workstream.
>>>
>>> Matthew
>>>
>>> On 10/30/2014 7:34 AM, Mathieu Weill wrote:
>>> Dear David and Matthew,
>>>
>>> Thanks to both of you for the useful edits and thoughtful comments.
>>>
>>> Regarding the scope, I support David's addition to clarify that the CCWG needs to take into account the effects of the transition in its broadest sense :
>>>
>>> The CCWG will investigate accountability mechanisms regarding all of the functions provided by ICANN, as long as it finds that such accountability mechanism is related to the transition of the NTIA Stewardship in its broadest sense, i.e the NTIA Stewardship served as a de facto accountability mechanism across the entirety of ICANN. The CCWG will be expected to identify how its proposals are related to the transition, again in its broadest sense.[DF1] [CS2]
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Matthew Shears
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