[arabic-vip] Agenda for Conference Call 2

[Sarmad Hussain]

Dear Andrew,

We discussed and added the following categories to the issues/requirements
list:

-variants
-TLD delegation
-DNSSEC
-Registry operations
-Dispute resolution
-IPv6

We only discussed "variants", i.e. the first item in the list.  It would be
good to explore what issues are relevant to other items in the list in more
details.

Regards,
Sarmad

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew Sullivan [mailto:ajs at anvilwalrusden.com]
> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 9:09 AM
> To: Sarmad Hussain
> Cc: 'Andrew Sullivan'; arabic-vip at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [arabic-vip] Agenda for Conference Call 2
> 
> On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 08:55:54PM -0700, Sarmad Hussain wrote:
> > Dear Andrew,
> >
> > Thanks for re-checking.  It would be great if you could join this
> time as we
> > will be discussing other issues in more detail.
> 
> Ok.  Are there particular issues I need to concentrate on in advance?
> 07:00 UTC is 03:00 EDT (which is where I will be tonight), so I'll
> need to prepare in advance if I am to make any sense!
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > Regards,
> > Sarmad
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org [mailto:arabic-vip-
> > > bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Sullivan
> > > Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 8:50 AM
> > > To: arabic-vip at icann.org
> > > Subject: Re: [arabic-vip] Agenda for Conference Call 2
> > >
> > > Dear colleagues,
> > >
> > > I'm assuming that I'm not actually needed for this session.  If you
> > > think I will be, please let me know.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 08:37:14PM -0700, Sarmad Hussain wrote:
> > > > Thanks Baher.
> > > >
> > > > Dear All,
> > > >
> > > > Let us follow the agenda circulated earlier (re-posted below for
> > > > convenience), as we were not able to go through it completely.
> We
> > > should
> > > > close our discussion on 1. And move to other items.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Sarmad
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 1.	Brainstorming requirements/issues related to Arabic
> variants
> > > >
> > > > What are variants in Arabic script?
> > > > A1.1.1 Unicode code points having same shape in at least one of
> the
> > > four
> > > > forms (beginning, middle, final and isolated)
> > > > A1.1.2 composed and decomposed forms not covered through Unicode
> > > which are
> > > > exactly same
> > > > A1.2.1 Unicode code points have shape similar enough that user
> will
> > > get
> > > > confused and accept them equal (causing security threat, e.g.
> > > phishing)
> > > > A1.2.1.1 similar shapes
> > > > A1.2.1.2 similar marks
> > > > A1.2.2 composed and decomposed forms same enough to cause user
> > > confusion
> > > > (causing security threat, e.g. phishing)
> > > > A1.3.1 conflating level 2 marks (less significance, higher
> > > optionality)
> > > > (e.g. fatha)
> > > > A1.3.2 conflating level 1 marks  (higher significance, lower
> > > optionality)
> > > > (e.g. hamza above/below)
> > > > A1.3.3 conflating level 0(?) marks  (highest significance, no
> > > optionality)
> > > > (e.g. double-fatha) (could this be A 2.1?)
> > > >
> > > > Interestingly, it can be argued that A1.3.x is a label level
> variance
> > > > instead of character level variance, which is an interesting
> concept,
> > > but is
> > > > not quite similar to A.2 suggested below but somewhere in between
> A.1
> > > and
> > > > A.2, as Arabic writing system (Abjad) works differently in some
> ways
> > > that
> > > > Alphabetical systems like Latin.
> > > >
> > > > AX 1.1 There is also label level variance in a few cases, where
> > > technically
> > > > ZWNJ is licensed by protocol (and should be licensed in spirit)
> but
> > > the
> > > > changed shape is so slightly different that it is not perceptible
> and
> > > may
> > > > cause security threats (e.g. phishing).
> > > > What are other possible requirements/issues/complications?
> > > > -	TLD Delegation - delegation vs. blocking vs. reservation -
> change
> > > of
> > > > status
> > > > -	DNSSEC
> > > > -	Registry operations
> > > > -	Others?
> > > >
> > > > 2.	Outline/format of the report
> > > >
> > > > Option 1
> > > > - issues of relevance to ICANN/IANA
> > > > - issues of relevance to registries/registrars
> > > > - issues of relevance to registrants
> > > > - issues of relevance of end-users
> > > >
> > > > Option 2
> > > > - What is a variant in Arabic script (see the email below)
> > > > - How to represent variants formally (table related issues)
> > > > - TLD vs. other level variants in Arabic - what is applicable
> level
> > > wise
> > > > - Variant TLD delegation
> > > > - Variant TLD registration
> > > > - Variant TLD resolution
> > > > - Variants and user experience
> > > >
> > > > Others?
> > > > 3.	Weekly Schedule of work and deliverables
> > > > 4.	Conference call schedule
> > > > 5.	Face-to-face meeting
> > > > 6.	Other items?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org [mailto:arabic-vip-
> > > > > bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Baher Esmat
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2011 11:02 PM
> > > > > To: Manal Ismail; arabic-vip at icann.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [arabic-vip] Doodle Poll
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm organizing the call for tomorrow Tuesday 12 July 7am UTC.
> Will
> > > send
> > > > > call
> > > > > details shortly.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best,
> > > > > Baher
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/9/11 11:06 PM, "Manal Ismail" <manal at tra.gov.eg> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear all ..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can we please try to fix the conference call slot in order to
> be
> > > able
> > > > > to fix
> > > > > > other commitments during the week ..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind Regards
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --Manal
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org on behalf of baher.esmat
> > > > > > Sent: Mon 04/07/2011 06:35 PM
> > > > > > To: arabic-vip at icann.org
> > > > > > Subject: [arabic-vip] Doodle Poll
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As requested: http://doodle.com/8zzpi7u8dy83zr3c
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -baher
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andrew Sullivan
> > > ajs at crankycanuck.ca
> >
> 
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> Andrew Sullivan
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