[arabic-vip] ZWNJ (earlier: [vip] Overarching principles used in Devanagari team report)

[Sarmad Hussain]

>From what I recollect, there is no ban, but a discussion around it at this time (e.g. there is a document restricting it which is currently being drafted and not in final stages).  However, ICANN VIP Team can advise.

Regards,
Sarmad

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Siavash Shahshahani [mailto:shahshah at irnic.ir]
>>Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 11:42 AM
>>To: Sarmad Hussain
>>Cc: Baher Esmat; Andrew Sullivan; arabic-vip at icann.org
>>Subject: Re: [arabic-vip] [vip] Overarching principles used in
>>Devanagari team report
>>
>>
>>My recolection is similar to Sarmad's. I don't remember that we made a
>>distinction between the occurrence of ZWNJ in TLD and the subordinate
>>strings, but I may be wrong. If there's a general ban for the use of
>>ZWNJ
>>in TLDs, could someone provide a reference?
>>Siavash
>>
>>On Wed, 21 Sep 2011 22:44:43 -0700, "Sarmad Hussain"
>><sarmad.hussain at kics.edu.pk> wrote:
>>> Dear Baher, Andrew, All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for your feedback.  We have the following text for ZWNJ in the
>>> latest
>>> version of the report on issues:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 200C (ZWNJ): Even though there may be some policy to restrict the use
>>of
>>> ZWNJ in the TLDs, the committee felt that due to its critical use in
>>Arabic
>>> script to separate ligatures which end with joining letters, there is
>>a
>>> need
>>> for ZWNJ by the community for TLDs (even though there may be limited
>>use
>>at
>>> this time).  Zero Width Non Joiner is needed in domain names in
>>Arabic
>>> script to separate multiple words within a label.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Though there is a defined rule which allows ZWNJ only in contexts
>>where
>>its
>>> effect is visible, there are few contexts which ZWNJ may still not
>>have
>>a
>>> visible impact.  This includes characters U+0637, U+0638 and U+069F.
>>This
>>> is indicated by the two sequences, one with and one without the ZWNJ:
>>طب
>>> ط‌ب.  The ZWNJ should not be permitted following these three
>>characters,
>>> in
>>> addition to the constraint already put on its use by the IDNA 2008
>>protocol
>>> (see RFC 5893).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have requested Baher for links to the audio recordings to re-check
>>this.
>>> However, other members attending the F2F meeting are also requested
>>to
>>> comment so that we can draft this text to correctly reflect what we
>>> finalized.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Sarmad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org [mailto:arabic-vip-
>>bounces at icann.org]
>>On
>>> Behalf Of Baher Esmat
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 9:08 AM
>>> To: Andrew Sullivan; arabic-vip at icann.org
>>> Subject: Re: [arabic-vip] [vip] Overarching principles used in
>>Devanagari
>>> team report
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/21/11 5:19 PM, "Andrew Sullivan" <ajs at crankycanuck.ca> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 07:59:27PM -0700, Sarmad Hussain wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> 2.       The Arabic Script Community is requesting the use of ZWNJ
>>in
>>> TLDs
>>>>
>>>> This is something that did not come clear to me in our face to face,
>>>> but I know someone has asked for this on a mailing list.
>>>
>>> It was not that clear to me as well. I recall there was a discussion
>>about
>>> this during the f2f meeting but thought that there was no consensus
>>on
>>the
>>> necessity to allow ZWNJ at TLD level, and the conclusion was that the
>>team
>>> would raise this as an issue in their final report.
>>>
>>> Baher
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do like 1.6 (I think Andrew emphasized this as "delegation" in
>>our
>>> meeting
>>>>> and it is an important point not very well understood by the
>>community
>>>>> (please correct me if I am wrong here)).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Sarmad
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: vip-bounces at icann.org [mailto:vip-bounces at icann.org] On
>>Behalf
>>Of
>>>>> Naela Sarras
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 21, 2011 7:24 AM
>>>>> To: vip at icann.org
>>>>> Subject: [vip] Overarching principles used in Devanagari team
>>report
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dear colleagues,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> During a meeting of the Devanagari Case Study Team meeting last
>>week,
>>>>> the
>>>>> team adopted a set of overarching principles that they will include
>>in
>>> their
>>>>> Case Study Issues report. We are sharing this section of the report
>>with
>>> the
>>>>> other case study teams in case they find it useful for their
>>respective
>>>>> reports.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Naela Sarras
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>