[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] REMINDER - Deadline Thursday, 28 May - minority statements

Mon May 25 18:20:05 UTC 2020

Interesting!

> On 25 May 2020, at 17:46, elliot noss <enoss at tucows.com> wrote:
> 
> Replying here to not fork the thread.
> 
> My oft-repeated preference for community expertise instead of org has a number of people who also liked it. Is it captured in any of the other comments (I have made sure it was on the record at all previous junctures). Do I need to do so again? And if yes, note that I will be referring to the support this position had every time it was raised.
> 
> We are now at the point of significant CCWG volunteer fatigue and this race, again, goes to the marathoners.
> 
> EN
> 
>> On May 25, 2020, at 11:50 AM, Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> HI Emily,
>> 
>> Thanks so much for your clarification. It does help.  I guess like Maureen I am resigned to accepting the consensus definition as it is what is in the charter and we cannot go back to change things now. 
>> 
>> Thanks again to you, Erika, and Ching for all your great work on this document
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Judith
>> 
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>> On 5/25/2020 11:02 AM, Emily Barabas wrote:
>>> Hi Judith,
>>>  
>>> Thanks for your response and this additional input. As Erika mentioned in her response to Maureen, the definition of consensus is included in the charter, so this is not a definition we can change. 
>>>  
>>> As a point of clarification, the consensus level designation refers specifically to the level of support for the text of the recommendations. The consensus level designation is not intended to directly reflect the results of the poll. Rather, the poll was a tool to inform drafting of the recommendation text. In the case of recommendation 1, “consensus” support means that the following is a position where a small minority disagrees, but most agree:
>>>  
>>> “The CCWG recommends that the Board select either mechanism A or mechanism B for the allocation of auction proceeds, taking into account the preference expressed by CCWG members for mechanism A . . . ”
>>>  
>>> Does the above clarification address your concerns, and if not, can you kindly advise if there is something else the CCWG can do to accommodate your concerns?
>>>  
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Emily
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org> <mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Judith Hellerstein <judith at jhellerstein.com> <mailto:judith at jhellerstein.com>
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>>> Date: Monday, 25 May 2020 at 16:40
>>> To: "ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org" <mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org> <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org> <mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] REMINDER - Deadline Thursday, 28 May - minority statements
>>>  
>>> HI Emily,
>>> 
>>> I agree with Maureen on this statement. I do not like the word Small in the definition. Is there another way to describe this as the definition in the charter of consensus is not what we have here? On all other recommendations we can use the word consensus but not on the mechanism chosen  
>>> 
>>> If looking at the poll results. We see that 7 people voted for A, 4 for B and 3 for C so it seem that there were an equal number of votes for 'NOT" A as there were votes "FOR" A thus we cannot say a small majority disagree.  We can only say that there was a preference for Mechanism A but that there was an equal preference for not A.
>>> 
>>> So we cannot say there is a consensus on the type of mechanism, we can say there is a preference? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Judith
>>> 
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>>> On 5/25/2020 5:35 AM, Maureen Hilyard wrote:
>>> Hi Emily 
>>>  
>>> The more that I see the statement of "small minority", the more I cannot agree with the "small" being included there. 
>>> If you are still asking, my vote goes to removing  "small" from the consensus definition so that it reads "a position where a minority disagrees, but a majority agree" 
>>>  
>>> Maureen
>>>  
>>> On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 11:27 PM Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org <mailto:emily.barabas at icann.org>> wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>  
>>> As a reminder, if you would like to submit minority viewpoints (details below), the deadline to do so is this Thursday, 28 May at 23:59 UTC.
>>>  
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Emily
>>>  
>>> From: Erika Mann <erika at erikamann.com <mailto:erika at erikamann.com>>
>>> Date: Thursday, 7 May 2020 at 15:42
>>> To: Ccwg-auctionproceeds <ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org <mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org>>
>>> Cc: Ching Chiao <ching.chiao at gmail.com <mailto:ching.chiao at gmail.com>>, Emily Barabas <emily.barabas at icann.org <mailto:emily.barabas at icann.org>>, Marika Konings <marika.konings at icann.org <mailto:marika.konings at icann.org>>, Joke Braeken <joke.braeken at icann.org <mailto:joke.braeken at icann.org>>
>>> Subject: [Ext] Fwd: Message for Erika to send to CCWG today [Subject: CCWG Auction Proceeds Consensus Call - Deadline 21 May 2020]
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Dear all,
>>>  
>>> Thank you to those who participated in the final poll on mechanisms. Please find attached the Final Report reflecting results of the poll (see poll results in excel format here <https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/126432332/CCWG%20Auction%20Proceeds%20-%20Final%20Survey%20on%20Mechanisms%20-%20Summary.xlsx?version=1&modificationDate=1588328283000&api=v2>). With 15 members and 4 participants responding, poll results indicate strong support for mechanism A, followed by mechanism B with the majority of members supporting that the CCWG should recommend two mechanisms. Section 4.7 of the Report and Recommendation #1 have been updated to reflect this result.
>>>  
>>> Seeing that there were no additional comments on the last revision circulated, the leadership team now considers the Final Report complete. The next step in the process is for the Co-Chairs to make a designation of the level of consensus for the recommendations in the report (see charter <https://community.icann.org/display/CWGONGAP/CCWG+Charter> for details, an excerpt of which is included below).We believe that the CCWG supports the recommendations in this report by Consensus. Consensus is defined as “a position where a small minority disagrees, but most agree.” If you are a member of the CCWG and you disagree with this designation, please respond to the email list no later than 21 May at 23:59 UTC (14 days from today).
>>>  
>>> Please note that at this stage, we are not revisiting the substance of the recommendations or asking you to state your positions on specific recommendations. We are requesting a response only if you believe that the consensus designation is incorrect. If you would like to submit a minority viewpoint on the content of the recommendations, you may do so, but this is separate from the consensus call. Minority statements will be due 28 May at 23:59 UTC (21 days from today). Minority statements may be included in an annex to the Final Report or linked from the Final Report to the wiki, depending on the length and number of statements received.
>>>  
>>> Please also find attached a draft cover letter to send to the Chartering Organizations with the Final Report. If you have questions or comments on this draft letter, please send to the email list no later than 21 May at 23:59 UTC (14 days from today).
>>>  
>>> We hope you are all well, take good care and, 
>>> kind regards,
>>>  
>>> Erika and Ching
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Excerpt from the CCWG Charter regarding Consensus Designation:
>>>  
>>> In developing its output, work plan and any other reports, the CCWG shall seek to act by consensus. The chair(s) may make a call for Consensus. If making such a call they should always make reasonable efforts to involve all Chartering Organization appointed Members of the CCWG (or sub-teams, if applicable). The chair(s) shall be responsible for designating each position as having one of the following designations:
>>>  
>>> a)        Full Consensus - a position where no minority disagrees; identified by an absence of objection
>>> b)        Consensus – a position where a small minority disagrees, but most agree
>>>  
>>> In the absence of Full Consensus, the chair(s) should allow for the submission of minority viewpoint(s) by the Chartering Organization appointed members and these, along with the consensus view, shall be included in the report.
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