[council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate

[Avri Doria]

Hi,

As I mentioned when my plan for an open ballot was
first opposed, I will hold a vote on closing the ballot
just before you all vote for chair.  That is why the
secret ballot is being set up provisionally.

I have asked Glen to prepare paper ballots, just in case,
the motion to close the vote succeeds.  I have also asked her
to look into means for dealing with any absentee ballots in
case not all council members can be in Seoul for the meeting;
this includes investigating how quickly the standard email
vote can be turned around.  I am hoping everyone will be
there so that this complexity can be avoided.

I have yet to speak to Legal about the legitimacy of just counting
ballots before receiving absentee to see whether the absentee
are necessary to declare a winner.  I know the absentee ballots
would be essential in figuring out a leader in case we need to
do a runoff given the formula by which we will need to calculate
the leader.

I hope this covers the questions.

a.

On 19 Oct 2009, at 01:52, William Drake wrote:

>
> HI
>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Avri Doria wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> In a truly secret ballot, which is what we are planning to set up  
>> provisionally
>
> Why?  It's not been apparent that there's a majority for closure.
>
>> (awaiting the decision of the council on closing the vote)
>
> When and how do we vote on this, I must have missed it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
>> it would not be possible for Glen to identify the voters.
>>
>> a.
>>
>> On 17 Oct 2009, at 07:31, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Glen could privately communicate the votes of each SG's Councilors  
>>> to
>>> the SG chair or in the case of constituencies to the Constituency
>>> chairs.
>>>
>>> Chuck
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis
>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:40 AM
>>>> To: Tim Ruiz; GNSO Council
>>>> Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed -
>>>> Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But how do you prove to your SG that is actually what you
>>>> voted (and that you represented them appropriately?).
>>>>
>>>> Adrian Kinderis
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2009 4:16 AM
>>>> To: GNSO Council
>>>> Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed -
>>>> Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chuck raises an important point. Do the CSG Councilors intend
>>>> that their
>>>> votes be secret even within their SG? A secret ballot at the  
>>>> Council
>>>> level is a different issue from keeping Councilors' votes secret  
>>>> from
>>>> their constituents.
>>>>
>>>> Tim
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>>> Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2
>>>> Each House determines a Candidate
>>>> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com>
>>>> Date: Fri, October 16, 2009 10:08 am
>>>> To: "Mary Wong" <MWong at piercelaw.edu>
>>>> Cc: "Council GNSO" <council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>
>>>> Strictly from a personal point of view:
>>>>
>>>> + I favor an open ballot for accountability and transparency  
>>>> reasons,
>>>> but I also respect the concerns of individual Councilors.
>>>>
>>>> + If just one Councilor requests a secret ballot, I then am
>>>> fine with a
>>>> secret ballot with at least one caveat that the votes of each
>>>> SG's reps
>>>> be communicated to the SG.
>>>>
>>>> + If am fine with Avri's suggestion to poll the Council regarding
>>>> whether to hold a secret or open ballot.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have raised this issue on the RySG list and am waiting their
>>>> direction.  In the end I will respond to the poll in accordance  
>>>> with
>>>> that direction and not my personal views.
>>>>
>>>> Chuck
>>>>
>>>> From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org
>>>> [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org]
>>>> On Behalf Of Mary Wong
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:18 AM
>>>> Cc: Council GNSO
>>>> Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed -
>>>> Part 2 Each
>>>> House determines a Candidate
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>>>>> Do other council members believe this needs to be a secret ballot?
>>>>
>>>> I think that at a time when there seems to be a lot of
>>>> mistrust amongst
>>>> the ICANN community and. more importantly, when there are many new
>>>> entrants/participants and Councillors, it's important to have  
>>>> complete
>>>> transparency in the GNSO processes. As such, I don't support
>>>> the idea of
>>>> a secret ballot in this case.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Mary
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mary W S Wong
>>>> Professor of Law & Chair, IP Programs
>>>> Franklin Pierce Law Center
>>>> Two White Street
>>>> Concord, NH 03301
>>>> USA
>>>> Email: mwong at piercelaw.edu
>>>> Phone: 1-603-513-5143
>>>> Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php
>>>> Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network
>>>> (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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