[council] Motion for JAS WG charter extension

Adrian Kinderis adrian at ausregistry.com.au
Wed Dec 8 16:26:47 UTC 2010

I think it is dangerous to assume any use of auction funds when you have no idea that there will even be any or that there will be enough to be utilized in this manner.

If this is your only source of funding then I think you may want to widen the circle.

Adrian Kinderis

From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Drake William
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2010 3:17 AM
To: Rafik Dammak; Wolf-Ulrich Knoben
Cc: Stéphane Van Gelder; GNSO Council
Subject: Re: [council] Motion for JAS WG charter extension


I would think it necessary for the JAS to be able to consider a basic framework for how any auction funds that are made available for applicant support could be managed.  Otherwise, the group's long journey through the woods ends by standing in front of the castle door without knocking.  At the same time, it is easy to understand Wolf-Ulrich's view that, "one can expect many interested community groups expressing their needs to share that profit where new applicants are one group of it,"  so how a foundation and auctions might work are larger issues that might better be dealt with through another mechanism.

Wolf-Ulrich, is there a way to split the difference and make it crystal clear that we're mandating JAS to only look at how at how any auction funds could be managed, rather than implying that the JAS might do the broader work? E.g. "Establishing a general framework for the management of any funds that may be made available for applicant support through auctions conducted by a separate ICANN originated foundation" or similar?


On Dec 8, 2010, at 10:42 AM, Rafik Dammak wrote:

Hi Stephane,

unfortunately, I cannot consider the amendment to remove 1.c as friendly amendment.



2010/12/8 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder at indom.com<mailto:stephane.vangelder at indom.com>>
Rafik, Bill, I am unsure if you answered this or not so I apologize if this is a repost.

Did you consider this as a FA?



Von: Gomes, Chuck [mailto:cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>]
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Dezember 2010 12:41
An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich; council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
Betreff: RE: [council] Motion for JAS WG charter extension
Do you consider this amendment friendly?
From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org>] On Behalf Of KnobenW at telekom.de<mailto:KnobenW at telekom.de>
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2010 4:08 AM
To: council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: [council] Motion for JAS WG charter extension
I'd like to amend the "Motion for JAS WG charter extension" as follows:
Remove "Resolved 1. c) Establishing a framework (for consideration etcetera,) including a possible recommendation for a separate ICANN originated foundation, for managing any auction income, beyond costs. for future rounds and ongoing assistance;"
First, I'm convinced the community and ICANN have to be prepared how to manage any potential new gTLD auction profit.
As usual in case profit is available one can expect many interested community groups expressing their needs to share that profit where new applicants are one group of it. In addition parts of the overall ICANN program could also profit from that fund (e.g. outreach program, DNS security etc.).
So my reservations to this topic being covered by the JAS group only are:
- it is a too large area for the JAS and would go far beyond their originally intended scope
- there are lots of more urgent tasks for this WG as laid down in the new draft charter. Handling the potential auction profit is of lower priority on the timescale .
- as per definition the JAS view is applicant oriented that would cause an imbalance
As I pointed out in former e-mails the JAS could express the new applicants' general interest in taking part in the distribution of the potential auction profit.

I suggest to initiate discussion on council level how to cover this topic separately and appropriately.

I'm in agreement with all other items in the charter and would be happy if the amendment could be accepted as friendly .
Save travels to Cartagena
Von: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com<mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com>]
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Dezember 2010 20:58
An: Knoben, Wolf-Ulrich
Betreff: regarding your amendment
Hi Wolf-Ulrich,
regarding your comment last time about JAS motion, I would like to know what are the reasons for asking to remove the 1.c . I think that we should find a better and constructive compromise.what do you think?

William J. Drake
Senior Associate
Centre for International Governance
Graduate Institute of International and
 Development Studies
Geneva, Switzerland
william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch<mailto:william.drake at graduateinstitute.ch>

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