RES: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore

Fri Feb 18 14:11:38 UTC 2011

We had here in Brazil news of social unrest in Jordan specifically.

It’s true that these were not persistent as the ones in Lybia, but...better safe than sorry.

Jaime Wagner

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De: Rafik Dammak [mailto:rafik.dammak at gmail.com] 
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 17 de fevereiro de 2011 20:30
Para: Jaime Wagner - PowerSelf
Cc: council at gnso.icann.org
Assunto: Re: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore

Hi Jaime,

easy question, what media coverage are you you talking about for the case of Jordan?if you are referring to other Arab countries unrest, that would be an interesting way of reasoning.

Regards

Rafik 

2011/2/18 Jaime Wagner - PowerSelf <jaime at powerself.com.br>

Rafik,

My comments are made on a personal basis.

Deaths and constant upheaval in my opinion is sufficient reason to move the meeting to a place without such conflicts. Don’t you agree? 

As for transparency: what is more transparent than the media coverage these incidents are getting?

Jaime Wagner

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De: owner-council at gnso.icann.org [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] Em nome de Rafik Dammak
Enviada em: quinta-feira, 17 de fevereiro de 2011 15:28
Para: Stéphane Van Gelder
Cc: David Olive; Adrian Kinderis; council at gnso.icann.org
Assunto: Re: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore

Hi Stephane,

well I didn't know that a councilor sending email to GNSO list means that I am talking on behalf of GNSO council, did I miss something?

I think that I has the right to question about the process and how the decision was made, are you denying this to me, Stephane?

transparent? it started with rumor and just got the info by surprise, I guess that we may have different definition of transparency?

finally, I think that I can still make any assertions and acting freely especially when there is no any given reasons and explanations, I think that I didn't infringe rules and I express my concern in appropriate way. 

Regards 

Rafik 

2011/2/18 Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder at indom.com>

Hi Rafik,

I would like clarification from you that your assertion that this is a dangerous precedent for A&T is a personal comment.

It seems to me that if the meeting team detect a reason for not going ahead with a meeting, we should support their initiatives to take action in that regard. Failing that, I'm sure ICANN would fall under criticism for NOT taking action.

It also seems ICANN is being fully transparent and giving ample warning of the change.

I am certain we can expect an explanation as to why the change is being made in the near future. I think we have to give staff a chance to provide this explanation before starting to make assertions, as a Council, that there is a "dangerous precedent" for anything here...

Stéphane

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Le 17 févr. 2011 à 16:47, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com> a écrit :

Hi David,

how the decision was made and in which information it was based. it is dangerous precedent and for matter of accountability and transparency I would like to see memo and other material that led ICANN board to make such decision if they will be published or not. and I don't see any element of confidentiality that prevent it.

Regards

Rafik Dammak

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2011/2/18 David Olive <david.olive at icann.org>

Adrian and Council Members:

 The ICANN June meeting will not take place in Jordan.   A decision was made and the Jordanian host has already been contacted about this change.  

In a day or so, there will be a formal ICANN announcement concerning this matter as well information on the location for the next meeting .

Regards,       David

David A. Olive
Vice President, Policy Development Support
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
1101 New York Avenue, NW - Suite 930 - Washington, D.C.    20005
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From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian at ausregistry.com.au>
Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 06:55:43 -0800
To: "council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: [council] Swap out Jordon for Singapore

The latest rumours are that we’ll be heading to Singapore next folks given the “unrest” in the Middle East.

Adrian Kinderis

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