[council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

[Gomes, Chuck]

I found an error in the first version of my edits, corrected it and added a comment to that suggested change.  Please refer to this version instead of the first one I sent a few minutes ago.

Chuck

From: Gomes, Chuck
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:06 AM
To: 'Maria Farrell'; Jonathan Robinson
Cc: Mike O'Connor; John Berard; Berry Cobb; James M. Bladel; Alan Greenberg; David Cake; council at gnso.icann.org
Subject: RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

Here are some suggested edits in redline format for the section about making PDPs more time effective.

Chuck

From: Maria Farrell [mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com]>
Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 7:17 AM
To: Jonathan Robinson
Cc: Mike O'Connor; Gomes, Chuck; John Berard; Berry Cobb; James M. Bladel; Alan Greenberg; David Cake; council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

Here is the updated version for discussion today.
Maria

On 12 December 2013 12:08, Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com<mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Jonathan,

I'll send an updated version shortly. I'm doing my best to try and accommodate people's wishes, but it's not clear to me how.

I will include any actual changes to the text that have been suggested in the past 18 hours - but general discussion on related points I'm not able to accommodate as I have a couple of other deadlines to get out before this afternoon. If anyone who's discussed issues on-list wants to try inserting actual text, that would be welcome.
Maria

On 12 December 2013 10:46, Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info<mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info>> wrote:
All,

I understand Petter's point on timeliness and opportunity to consult with groups.  Nevertheless, we have had reasonable opportunity to consider the report and our respective group's position/s on these.

Therefore, it seems that there are two key points:


1.       Have we got sufficient agreement on the content?

2.       Can we commit to a submission by the deadline tomorrow?

Accordingly, Maria please can you try to supply us with what you believe to be the latest draft, ideally that we have substantial agreement on.
We can use this as a basis to answer one and two above in the meeting today.

Thanks,


Jonathan

From: Mike O'Connor [mailto:mike at haven2.com<mailto:mike at haven2.com>]
Sent: 11 December 2013 23:07
To: Gomes, Chuck
Cc: John Berard; Berry Cobb; James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell; Alan Greenberg; David Cake; <council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>

Subject: Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

i would add a couple variables

            R = rigor

            L (since "C" is already taken) = level of consensus

give me permission to do a sketchy work-product with low levels of consensus and i can bring a working-group home in a jiffy.  ;-)

mikey


On Dec 11, 2013, at 2:27 PM, "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>> wrote:

I like it.  I think it helps make my points with regard to time-effectiveness.  :)

Chuck

From: John Berard [mailto:john@<mailto:john@>crediblecontext.com<http://crediblecontext.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 2:43 PM
To: Berry Cobb
Cc: Gomes, Chuck; James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell; Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; <council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
Subject: Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

Who is this and what have you done with Berry?

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 11, 2013, at 11:36 AM, "Berry Cobb" <mail at berrycobb.com<mailto:mail at berrycobb.com>> wrote:
All,

I'm probably a bit tardy in offering this to the discussion, but it might at least help inform future deliberations on the topic of time duration on a PDP.  I started drafting a simple formula a while ago and I suspect a few more variables could be added.

Duration of a PDP is a function of participation X frequency X complexity X knowledge
D=PxFxCxK

Food for thought.......

B

Berry Cobb
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From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:00
To: Gomes, Chuck; James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell
Cc: Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

One more thing on this.  I was comfortable with the changes in wording that James & I agreed to previously. What happened to that?

Chuck

From: owner-council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org> [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:47 PM
To: James M. Bladel; Maria Farrell
Cc: Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

James,

I don't think that time-effectiveness can be dealt with in isolation of the other criteria.  In fact, time-effectiveness itself is not the root problem, it is the symptom.  We could easily make PDPs shorter; would that solve the problem?  We could reduce the time it takes to do a PDP?  Would that be a measure of success?  The original DNSO did that in policy work by having the GNSO Council act as a legislative body.  It's easy to do things faster in a top-down management model.  I am willing to consider other wording but I have a serious problem with  the wording that is in the latest version Maria distributed.  I think it undermines the other points we make.

Chuck

From: James M. Bladel [mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com]<mailto:[mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:12 PM
To: Gomes, Chuck; Maria Farrell
Cc: Alan Greenberg; David Cake; Mike O'Connor; council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

Chuck:

I'm not entirely on board with some of the sentiments expressed in your edits.  Opponents of the PDP will often (and firstly) cite the -lack- of time efficiency as the primary flaw in the process.  If we are to address those internal and external critics, it seems that this should be highlighted above the other concerns...

Thanks-

J.

From: <Gomes>, Chuck <cgomes at verisign.com<mailto:cgomes at verisign.com>>
Date: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 at 12:02
To: Maria Farrell <maria.farrell at gmail.com<mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>>
Cc: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>>, David Cake <dave at difference.com.au<mailto:dave at difference.com.au>>, Mike O'Connor <mike at haven2.com<mailto:mike at haven2.com>>, "council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>" <council at gnso.icann.org<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>>
Subject: RE: [council] Draft ATRT2 Comments

Thanks Maria.

Regarding '13.1 on GNSO and the wider ICANN community developing ways to make the GNSO PDP process more time-effective':


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