SV: [council] Beijing / Meetings with GAC & ccNSO

Petter Rindforth petter.rindforth at
Thu Feb 14 09:45:54 UTC 2013

Dear All,
I ecco Wolfgang and Jonathan and strongly support to meet with both GAC
and the ccNSO.
As to the ccNSO, many of the issues we discuss within GNSO also
naturally relates to the work that has been done (or should have been
considered) in many ccTLDs – especially all of those that are also
advertised or at least used as “generic”, such as .it, .nu, .tv, etc,
One point to “sell in” our meeting with ccNSO is that we can in fact
learn from each other, and perhaps therewith also win time on certain
projects and (from both sides) avoid mistakes.
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Thank you
On 11 feb 2013 16:56 "Kleinwächter, Wolfgang"
<wolfgang.kleinwaechter at> wrote:
> Jonathan and all,
> 1. I support verry much Thomas comment. Yes to both meetings but under
> the condition that they are well prepared by a concrete and agreed
> agenda of issues which need discussion, clarification or action.
> 2. For the meetimng with the ccTLD my question would be how cc`s see
> in particular the GEO-TLDs (regions, cities). I would be interested
> also in the argument wether the involved "public authorities" city
> councils, regional administrations) will have a say in GEO-TLD
> policies (as thez have in the GAC ccTLD Redelegation Principles
> Document) and whether this will lead to local/national competition
> (eventually under different legal regimes).
> 3. For the GAC meeting: This is a good test for the seriosness of GACs
> readiness to become "early engaged" in a PDP (here in particular the
> IG= etc. story).
> Thanks
> wolfgang
> ________________________________
> Fra: <owner-council at> på vegne af Thomas Rickert
> Sendt: ma 11-02-2013 15:01
> Til: Jonathan Robinson
> Cc: <council at>
> Emne: Re: [council] Beijing / Meetings with GAC & ccNSO
> Jonathan, all,
> while I agree with most of what has been said by fellow Councillors in
> response to your request, I have a general question:
> Is it just us needing to come up with what John calls (rightfully) a
> compelling agenda or isn't the "burden" on both parties?
> ad 1 and 2:
> As far as the ccNSO is concerned, we already had sessions in the past
> talking about the impact of new gTLDs, but they were quite
> superficial. While I could not be in favor of repeating statements
> made before, I guess that a well prepared discussion would be
> meaningful. Whois (which is closely linked to John's point on the EU
> data protection laws) might also be a topic of mutual interest.
> In my view such sessions would need to be carefully prepared - imho
> best done by reps from both parties taking care of that. I would
> volunteer to be part of that. In the absence of a good preparation, we
> might better not put these points on the agenda.
> ad 3 and 4:
> I definitely support an initiative to meet with the GAC.
> As chair of the IOC-RCRC-IGO-INGO PDP WG I would very much welcome the
> opportunity to discuss this very topic. You will recall that this PDP
> was tagged a case study by both the Board and the GAC and as a
> consequence we should consider being an active part in making this
> case study successful. Our leadership (you or one of the vice chairs
> :-)) might wish to reach out to both the GAC and the Board to find out
> what their plan was with the case study? Was the idea to just observe
> and evaluate jointly or separately after it is over? Was the idea to
> be more active by engaging in the process at some stage or to have
> interim assessments? If so, on the basis of what information? I can
> tell you that the level of complexity of this project is challenging
> and thus there is a lot that could be presented and discussed.
> I would be more than happy to contribute to this, but I would need to
> understand better what the expectations are. Maybe we could even
> invite the Board (or reps) to such discussion. If such session was
> well prepared, I think it would be a good initiative to help the
> various groups better understand the approaches, ongoing work,
> limitations and chances of what the GNSO is going.
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> Am 05.02.2013 um 23:04 schrieb Jonathan Robinson
> <jonathan.robinson at>:
> All,
> Many of you will recall that, pre-Toronto, we held regular meetings
> with both the GAC & the ccNSO at the ICANN meetings.
> These meetings were scheduled in advance and then we typically
> discussed or developed topics during the weekend sessions.
> In my opinion the meetings were not always that successful for a
> variety of reasons, one of which could be that we were not necessarily
> adequately prepared or engaged, or vice cersa
> In anticipation of meeting one or both of the GAC & the ccNSO in
> Beijing, we have reached out to them relatively early.
> The initial question from the ccNSO has been, tell us what you'd like
> to discuss / meet about and then we can agree whether or not to meet.
> I am certain that the GAC will also seek to discuss and agree some
> topics at least if we are to meet with them.
> Personally, I was disappointed not to meet with the GAC in Toronto and
> feel that it is important to us to do so.
> Therefore the following questions arise:
> 1. Do you support an initiative to meet with the ccNSO in Beijing?
> 2. If yes, please try to assist with any suggested topics or issues to
> discuss and potentially collaborate on?
> 3. Do you support an initiative to meet with the GAC in Beijing?
> 4. If yes, please try to assist with any suggested topics or issues to
> discuss and potentially collaborate on?
> I look forward to hearing back from you on this as will Mason in terms
> of his planning for the Beijing meeting.
> Thank-you.
> Jonathan
> Jonathan Robinson
> Chair
> ICANN GNSO Council
> <jonathan.robinson at> <mailto:jonathan.robinson at>
> skype: jonathan.m.r
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