[council] CWG on Internet Govenrance Issues

Jonathan Robinson jrobinson at afilias.info
Thu Nov 28 10:33:53 UTC 2013

Thanks Amr & Avri,


I understood Fadi’s invitation similarly to you Avri and, personally, can see the NCSG / ALAC initiative for what it seems to be i.e. a good faith attempt to jump on the train before it leaves the station.


Also, I certainly do not believe any SG/C needs the Council’s blessing or permission to participate.  Where the Council MAY be able to help is assisting with the communication / co-ordination to ensure all GNSO groups are fully aware of what is going on and any recent background.  This thread seems to have been helpful in that context.




From: avri [mailto:avri at acm.org] 
Sent: 28 November 2013 00:52
To: <council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [council] CWG on Internet Govenrance Issues




I had understood it that Fadi invited the whole community to do something. So, it wasn't that he specifically invited the non commercials of NCSG and users of ALAC, but rather that like everyone else we heard the invitation at the Wednesday early morning meeting, and decided to act on it.


In doing so, the idea was, we saw the train leaving and we figured we would jump on before it left without us. We also extended an invitation for all other SG/C to join us when we announced in the forum that we had taken up the offer and gotten the ball rolling.


Rafik, the NCSG chair and Olivier the ALAC chair are currently facilitating this effort.  I suggest other SG/C talk to them about joining in the effort if interested.  I also understand that some may decide to stand aside from this CWG on bottom-up principle. I can respect that. But at this point we are so far beyond the bottom-up principle on so many aspects of ICANN actions, I find that it is a principle mostly honored in the breech.


I appreciate that Sally accepted that this effort was the start of response to their request for community participation. I also see no reason why on a cross community wg, NCSG should need the council's permission to participate.







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From: Amr Elsadr <aelsadr at egyptig.org> 
Date: 11/27/2013 19:15 (GMT-05:00) 
To: John Berard <john at crediblecontext.com> 
Cc: "<jrobinson at afilias.info>" <jrobinson at afilias.info>,"<council at gnso.icann.org>" <council at gnso.icann.org> 
Subject: Re: [council] CWG on Internet Govenrance Issues 

Jonathan and John,


The NCSG/ALAC meeting where this idea was proposed started immediately following the Council wrap-up session. It was not, to my knowledge, an initiative born from any invitation of any kind nor imposed by anyone from the “top” or elsewhere. It was more of a discussion amongst civil society actors within the ICANN community to coordinate efforts to ensure NCSG/ALAC representation in whatever process leads up to the Brazil summit (or whatever they’ve decided to call it) in April 2014. In fact, one of the outputs of the meeting was a suggestion to draft a joint NCSG/ALAC letter addressed to Fadi expressing a desire to engage in the process.


During the meeting, it was also decided that inviting the broader ICANN community to the discussion using a Wiki as a platform for cross community input on the topic was a good idea. The term “Cross-Community Working Group” was used in an email message on an NCSG list, but I am not aware of any actual WG or drafting team in the pipeline. Just a Wiki-based cross community discussion platform. If this changes, if I learn something I do not know now, or when the Wiki goes online, I’ll be sure to send a note to all of you on the Council list to make sure you’re all informed.


Sound good?






On Nov 27, 2013, at 7:22 PM, John Berard <john at crediblecontext.com> wrote:



The work of the drafting team is aimed at creating an aligned PDP and reflects a bottom-up sensibility


This CWG on Internet Governance is more politics than policy and has been imposed from the top,


What I would like to know is who issued the invitation to the ALAC and NCSG, what was the rationale and why the NCSG accepted without consultation with the broader GNSO of which they are a part?


Were other ACs and SOs invited?  Did they decline?


I am aware that I am veering toward paranoia, but it's not inappropriate if they are really out to get you.





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On Nov 27, 2013, at 1:04 PM, "Jonathan Robinson" < <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info> jrobinson at afilias.info> wrote:



At the Council meeting wrap-up in Buenos Aires, we talked about GNSO participation in the CWG on internet governance and the Council and/or GNSO Council chair’s otential role.


At the time, I don’t believe we were aware of the proposed role of ALAC / NCSG as co-ordinators. 


I think (from a Council perspective) we should probably now await the call for further participation and respond to that, but I am open to any other suggestions.


We could offer the CWG principles as they currently stand?





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