[council] Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2) Final Report & Recommendations
Alan Greenberg
alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Fri Feb 21 22:47:21 UTC 2014
Not really, the ATRT2 is disbanded and we are
effectively out of the loop unless something is
explicitly referred to us. You could always add a
comment of your own explaining what you meant and
I'm sure it will be incorporated into the comment
summaries (ie something like - As the author of
the sentence in the GNSO comments reading
"Rather, there needs to be a clear and
well-supported progression for community
volunteers to gain the skills, knowledge and
experience needed to broaden the ranks of active
PDP participants and leaders.", I wish to point
out that the term "well-supported" is mean to
imply both philosophically supported AND financially supported.)
Without further elaboration, I have little
confidence that the 2nd meaning will be inferred.
And as I am sure you understand, it is critical.
Alan
At 21/02/2014 05:16 PM, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>by using vague and imprecise language, i hope to add to my mystique. :-)
>
>sorry — you’re right. i really intended both
>meanings with that word. can you and Avri carry that message for me?
>
>mikey
>
>
>On Feb 21, 2014, at 11:14 AM, Alan Greenberg
><<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>
>>Mikey, in your second paragraph, you use the
>>expression "well-supported". Do you mean
>>supported as in "rah, rah, we want it", or
>>"well-funded". If the latter, you should be more explicit.
>>
>>Alan
>>
>>At 21/02/2014 10:33 AM, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>>>hi again — this is a slightly newer new
>>>version. i decided to break up the paragraph
>>>a little bit, that’s all. here’s the way i did it
>>>
>>>The ATRT2 report documents how a very small
>>>group of dedicated volunteers carry an
>>>extraordinary proportion of the working-group
>>>load and correctly identifies this as a major
>>>concern. We note that simply increasing the
>>>pool of people aware of and in some way
>>>engaged with ICANN should not be viewed as the
>>>goal. Ultimately what is needed is a larger
>>>and more diverse group of active and effective
>>>volunteer participants in PDP working groups.
>>>
>>>Although outreach is an important part of the
>>>effort and crucial for bringing new volunteers
>>>to ICANN, the path to this goal should not end
>>>at simply recruiting a large diverse group of
>>>people. Rather, there needs to be a clear and
>>>well-supported progression for community
>>>volunteers to gain the skills, knowledge and
>>>experience needed to broaden the ranks of
>>>active PDP participants and leaders.
>>>
>>>We support reversing the current trend of too
>>>little focus on the recruiting, development
>>>and support of capable volunteer policymakers
>>>while increasingly following the expedient
>>>path of hiring expert panels, expanding staff
>>>and hand-picking “community representatives”
>>>through opaque “selection committees.”
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Mike O'Connor
>>><<mailto:mike at haven2.com>mike at haven2.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>hi all,
>>>>
>>>>thanks for the comments. here’s a new version.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The ATRT2 report documents how a very small
>>>>group of dedicated volunteers carry an
>>>>extraordinary proportion of the working-group
>>>>load and correctly identifies this as a major
>>>>concern. We note that simply increasing the
>>>>pool of people aware of and in some way
>>>>engaged with ICANN should not be viewed as
>>>>the goal. Ultimately what is needed is a
>>>>larger and more diverse group of active and
>>>>effective volunteer participants in PDP
>>>>working groups. Although outreach is an
>>>>important part of the effort and crucial for
>>>>bringing new volunteers to ICANN, the path to
>>>>this goal should not end at simply recruiting
>>>>a large diverse group of people. Rather,
>>>>there needs to be a clear and well-supported
>>>>progression for community volunteers to gain
>>>>the skills, knowledge and experience needed
>>>>to broaden the ranks of active PDP
>>>>participants and leaders. We support
>>>>reversing the current trend of too little
>>>>focus on the recruiting, development and
>>>>support of capable volunteer policymakers
>>>>while increasingly following the expedient
>>>>path of hiring expert panels, expanding staff
>>>>and hand-picking “community representatives”
>>>>through opaque “selection committees.”
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>><ATRT2 - Draft Council Input (14 February 2014) MO2.doc>
>>>>
>>>>On Feb 21, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Thomas Rickert
>>>><<mailto:rickert at anwaelte.de>rickert at anwaelte.de> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>+1
>>>>>
>>>>>Thomas
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Am 21.02.2014 um 15:48 schrieb "James M.
>>>>>Bladel" <<mailto:jbladel at godaddy.com>jbladel at godaddy.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>>I also support Mikey’s edits, but to Klaus’
>>>>>>point, I’m wondering if we can insert
>>>>>>something emphasizing that new participants
>>>>>>be “volunteers”? We do not want to
>>>>>>encourage the trend of hiring outside
>>>>>>experts, proliferating Staff, and
>>>>>>hand-picked participants chosen by an opaque “selection committee.”
>>>>>>
>>>>>>J.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Klaus Stoll <<mailto:kdrstoll at gmail.com>kdrstoll at gmail.com>
>>>>>>Date: Friday, February 21, 2014 at 8:02
>>>>>>To: "Reed, Daniel A"
>>>>>><<mailto:dan-reed at uiowa.edu>dan-reed at uiowa.e
>>>>>>du>, Mike O'Connor
>>>>>><<mailto:mike at haven2.com>mike at haven2.com>,
>>>>>>GNSO Council List <<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>council at gnso.icann.org >
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [council] Second
>>>>>>Accountability and Transparency Review Team
>>>>>>(ATRT 2) Final Report & Recommendations
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fine with me as long as we don't start breading more "experts".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Klaus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 2/21/2014 2:46 PM, Reed, Daniel A wrote:
>>>>>>>I think this is fine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Dan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>From:<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>>>owner-council at gnso.icann.org [
>>>>>>>mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org] On Behalf Of Mike O'Connor
>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:04 AM
>>>>>>>To: <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [council] Second
>>>>>>>Accountability and Transparency Review
>>>>>>>Team (ATRT 2) Final Report & Recommendations
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>i agree Maria. i had a go at adding
>>>>>>>another paragraph to our response to Rec
>>>>>>>#10.3 and have attached the revised
>>>>>>>draft. but to save you time, here’s the language i inserted
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"The ATRT2 report documents how a very
>>>>>>>small group of dedicated volunteers carry
>>>>>>>an extraordinary proportion of the
>>>>>>>working-group load and correctly
>>>>>>>identifies this as a major concern. We
>>>>>>>note that simply increasing the pool of
>>>>>>>people aware of and in some way engaged
>>>>>>>with ICANN should not be viewed as the
>>>>>>>goal. Ultimately what is needed is a
>>>>>>>larger and more diverse group of active
>>>>>>>and effective participants in PDP working
>>>>>>>groups. Although outreach is an important
>>>>>>>part of the effort and crucial for
>>>>>>>bringing newcomers to ICANN, the path to
>>>>>>>this goal should not end at simply
>>>>>>>recruiting a large diverse group of
>>>>>>>people. Rather, there needs to be a clear
>>>>>>>and well-supported progression for
>>>>>>>newcomers to gain the skills, knowledge
>>>>>>>and experience needed to broaden the ranks
>>>>>>>of active PDP participants and leaders.”
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>happy to consider revisions.
>>>>>>>mikey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Feb 21, 2014, at 3:56 AM, Maria Farrell
>>>>>>><<mailto:maria.farrell at gmail.com>maria.farrell at gmail.com > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Jonathan,
>>>>>>>I'm happy to support this, and thank you
>>>>>>>for drafting it. There's one small typo,
>>>>>>>track changes version attached. It's in para 1, page 3.
>>>>>>>I'd have liked if we tackled head-on the
>>>>>>>issue of the narrowness of some PDP WGs'
>>>>>>>participation, which the ATRT2 report
>>>>>>>provided some pretty convincing numbers
>>>>>>>on. But as I haven't gone to the trouble
>>>>>>>of actually drafting anything on it, I can't complain.
>>>>>>>All the best, Maria
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 21 February 2014 09:15, Avri Doria
>>>>>>><<mailto:avri at acm.org>avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>>As a member of the ATRT2, I do not believe
>>>>>>>it my job to comment on our report.
>>>>>>>I think the GNSO response is fine as far
>>>>>>>as it goes and I am pleased that at least
>>>>>>>something is being submitted - though I
>>>>>>>must admit I am less than enthused about
>>>>>>>responses that essentially say "we are already doing that".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I might have wished for it to be more
>>>>>>>supportive of other aspects of the report, but the response is what it is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>avri
>>>>>>>On 21-Feb-14 09:43, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>>>>>>>*_PLEASE RESPOND WITHIN 8 HOURS_*
>>>>>>>*From:*Jonathan Robinson [ mailto:jonathan.robinson at ipracon.com]
>>>>>>>*Sent:* 20 February 2014 09:38
>>>>>>>*To:* <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>>>*Subject:* RE: Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT
>>>>>>>2) Final Report & Recommendations
>>>>>>>All,
>>>>>>>The deadline for submission of public comment on the ends approximately
>>>>>>>36 hours from now.
>>>>>>>I am OK to submit a letter in substantially the same for as that
>>>>>>>distributed to you on 14 Feb (see below)
>>>>>>>and re-attached to this letter.
>>>>>>>BUT
>>>>>>>I need your support to do so. Accordingly, even if you simply provide
>>>>>>>support without any comment on the content, that will be helpful.
>>>>>>>*_PLEASE RESPOND WITHIN 24 HOURS_*
>>>>>>>Thank-you.
>>>>>>>Jonathan
>>>>>>>*From:*Jonathan Robinson [ mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info]
>>>>>>>*Sent:* 14 February 2014 17:21
>>>>>>>*To:*
>>>>>>><mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>council at gnso.icann.org
>>>>>>>< mailto:council at gnso.icann.org>
>>>>>>>*Subject:* Second Accountability and Transparency Review Team (ATRT 2)
>>>>>>>Final Report & Recommendations
>>>>>>>*Importance:* High
>>>>>>>All,
>>>>>>>If you are not already, please be aware of the following:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/atrt2-recommendations-09jan14-en.htm>http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/atrt2-recommendations-09jan14-en.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The opportunity to provide comments _ends one week from today 23h59 UTC
>>>>>>>on 21 Feb 2014_.
>>>>>>>The ATRT2 interacted with many in the
>>>>>>>community during the course of its
>>>>>>>work, including directly with the GNSO Council which was certainly
>>>>>>>appreciated. We now have an opportunity
>>>>>>>to comment on the final report.
>>>>>>>If we do intend to comment, my opinion is
>>>>>>>that we should at least submit
>>>>>>>an indication of intent, if not the primary comment, in the initial
>>>>>>>comment period and not wait for the reply period.
>>>>>>>Given the tight time frame, I have taken the unusual step of drafting a
>>>>>>>council response for your consideration. The ATRT2 deals with some
>>>>>>>critical areas of GNSO work and function and so it seems to me that we
>>>>>>>should respond to the call for comments, specifically in so far as the
>>>>>>>report deals with GNSO Policy and directly related areas.
>>>>>>>I am aware that some of you were on the
>>>>>>>ATRT2 and others actively worked
>>>>>>>on Council interaction with the ATRT2. Therefore, you may well have
>>>>>>>strong views on the subject matter.
>>>>>>>I look forward to your input and any suggestions.
>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>Jonathan
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>><ATRT2 - Draft Council Input (14 February 2014).doc>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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