[council] Notes from today's GNSO Council call
Maria Farrell
maria.farrell at gmail.com
Thu Feb 27 17:21:54 UTC 2014
This is terrific, Mikey. Thank you! Extremely useful to get a precis of it
while it's still fresh in our minds and before the official minutes come
out.
Please keep them coming, if you can.
On 27 February 2014 16:33, Mike O'Connor <mike at haven2.com> wrote:
> hi all,
>
> as many of you know, i'm an obsessive note-taker in meetings. i thought i
> would share my notes from the call this morning with this list and ask you
> to let me know if you would like me to continue sending them to this list
> as well. these are mostly for me, and my ISPCP colleagues (so pay no
> attention to the action-items, those are mostly for me). feel free to sing
> out if you find these annoying or unhelpful. these are NOT official
> minutes, just personal notes of one member.
>
> disclaimer -- these are my notes and may contain errors of fact or
> understanding. if something in here makes you unhappy, check with me or
> the person before taking extreme action. :-)
>
> also note that item 6 and item 4 were reversed on the agenda, which is why
> these notes are not in strictest numeric sequence.
>
> mikey
>
>
> Council call - 27-Feb 2014
>
> -
>
> + - Item 1: Administrative matters (10 mins)
> - 1.1 Roll Call
> - + - 1.2 Statement of interest updates
> - Maria Farrell
> - ~ https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI
> <https://community.icann.org/display/gnsosoi/Maria+Farrell+SOI>
> - 1.3 Review/amend agenda
> - + - 1.4. Note the status of minutes for the previous Council
> meeting per the GNSO Operating Procedures:
> - Minutes of the GNSO Council meetings 23 January 2014 were
> posted as approved on 17 February 2014.
>
> + - Item 2: Opening Remarks / Review of Projects & Action List (10
> mins)
> - Review focus areas and provide updates on specific key themes /
> topics
> - Include review of Projects List and Action List.
> - + - Comments or questions arising.
> - Action: note a diary entry to review the list prior to each
> meeting - and forward to the ISPCP list
>
> Item 3: Consent agenda (0 mins)
>
> + - Item 4: UPDATE & DISCUSSION - GNSO Engagement with the work of the
> ICANN Strategy Panels (15 mins)
> -
>
> + - Here the Council will receive an update on any relevant
> interaction with and output from the strategy panels and discuss any
> appropriate action going forward.
> - + - Update:
> -
>
> + - Strat Panels are out for comment
> - ~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment >
> Strategy-panels-25feb14-en
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/strategy-panels-25feb14-en.htm>
> - ~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements >
> Announcement-2-25feb14-en
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-2-25feb14-en.htm>
>
> Fadi's recent update to AC/SO chairs -- on role panels and
> their role in the strategy process -- concern about top-down was discussed
>
> + - MSI panel --
> -
>
> + - 16 proposals (here's a link to my little matrix of the
> proposals -- arrayed by Goal <--> Tool and Participation <--> Policy)
> - ~ haven2.com > Wp-content > Uploads > 2007 > 07 >
> PDP-Overview-GAC-GNSO-v5
> <http://www.haven2.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/PDP-Overview-GAC-GNSO-v5.jpg>
>
> + - Jonathan has reached out -- got off to a bit of a slow
> start -- but meetings 2 weeks ago and yesterday
> -
>
> + - flag waving - we're the Council and the GNSO - your
> work feels as though it overlaps our remit - so we are very tuned to you
> work
> - Novak offered to do some kind of interview --
> Jonathan was uncomfortable
>
> + - Yesterday's meeting
> -
>
> working toward a meeting with 1/2 members of the
> staff (govLab) people in singapore
>
> opportunity to home in on a subset of the
> recommendations that are more closely related to the policy work of the
> GNSO
>
> + - 2 issues
> - + - "top down" concern
> - Jonathan: best aimed at Fadi not the MSI panel
> - + - Discussion
> - + - Berard
> -
>
> + - "this is something we need to talk about" reenforces
> the "executivification" of ICANN -- it's really hard for a part time person
> to stay above the raging water -- the community is becoming more
> professional -- this is driving some of our community members mad -- the
> more we can do to foster discussion at the broadest level in the community,
> the better
> - Jonathan shares concern over the raging water
> - Jonathan emphasises distinction between MSI content
> and MSI chartering
> - + - Amr
> -
>
> + - commisioning is very top down -- there is a lot of
> work going on -- that's where the changes would have to be reviewed
> -
>
> doesn't feel quite as concerned as others are
>
> + - Jonathan - we have the opportunity to engage --
> maybe a written response to the panel from the council
> - reaction to their work AND
> - work that the GNSO is doing
> - + - Stoll
> -
>
> + - we need to inform them to alert them to overlaps AND
> we need to inform administration of concerns directly
> - comments seem to go into a black hole
> - be careful in the engagement
> - + - Chiao
> -
>
> volunteers -- substantial proportion of cycles going to IG
> issue
>
> registries -- implementation requirements, additional load
> of IG work -- overloaded is not just limited to volunteers in
> non-contracted parties. Ry's and Rr's are struggling to keep up with
> implementation requirements in addition to policy-making and IG discussion.
> Very hard, especially for smaller registries.
>
> + - ICANN is now representing all of our voices -- will
> people outside of ICANN have a chance to talk with the community directly?
> Is ICANN trying to represent us, rather than letting that conversation
> take place directly?
> - maybe it's time for constituencies to step out
> - + - Greimann
> -
>
> topics are very worthwhile -- also helpful to have an
> outside voice -- however i think this effort should have come in the ICANN
> way -- thus they have a bit of a birth defect because of the way they were
> launched -- we shouldn't be deferential, give advice, should be seen as
> comparable to the GAC
> - + - Greenberg
> -
>
> MSI - remember they were put in place to comment on the
> *whole* MS model, not just GNSO -- their remit is broader - they were asked
> to suggest changes - informed process -- they DID suggest changes and we
> need to embrace/refine their suggestions without appearing defensive
> - + - Followup
> - Jonathan will follow up with Theresa about how we can best
> interact with these panels
>
> + - Item 5: UPDATE - PDP Working Group on Translation &
> Transliteration of Contact Information (10 mins)
> -
>
> The GNSO Council recently initiated a Policy Development Process
> (PDP) on the Translation and Transliteration of Contact Information. As
> part of its efforts to obtain broad input from the ICANN Community at an
> early stage of its deliberations, the Working Group has requested input
> from the Supporting Organizations (including the GNSO) and Advisory
> Committees on several questions relating to the issues identified in the
> PDP Final Issue Report.
>
> + - 5.1 - Update (Ching Chiao)
> - presented by Chris Dillon - cochair
> - + - request for input - deadline is tomorrow
> - https://community.icann.org/x/FTR-Ag
>
> + - 5.2 - Discussion
> - + - Chiao - thanks Chris, encourages comments from constituencies
> - Action: remind ISPCP of need for input
>
> 5.3 - Next steps
>
> + - Item 6: UPDATE & DISCUSSION - International Internet Governance
> Issues (20 mins)
> -
>
> Discussions and activity relating to international Internet
> Governance issues are attracting a great deal of attention in ICANN and
> related groups. This item is on the agenda to provide an opportunity for
> discussion within the Council about how this impacts the role and work of
> the Council and mindful of the scope and remit of the Council, what action
> the Council should or could be taking.
>
> + - 4.1 - Status update (Sally Costerton)
> - Jonathan: what should be focusing on at Council
> - + - Sally:
> - + - several streams around IG
> - + - Background
> -
>
> + - Buenos Aires - became clear that profile of IG was
> increasing - triggered by Snowden issue
> - the rest of the world had "woken up"
> - resurfaced WCIT issues
>
> very full IG calendar in 2014
>
> Fadi's view - sense that there is frustration over how
> hard IG issues are to resolve
>
> ITU - march toward their meeting late in the year --
> debate around whether they're going to change their remit
>
> if we don't participate others will do it for us
> - + - 1Net
> -
>
> discussion forum where debate is taking place in great
> detail
>
> now has a steering committee
>
> + - web forum is up and running -- discussion is
> migrating that direction -- much easier to follow than the overwhelming
> traffic on the email list
> - ~ https://forum.1net.org/ <https://forum.1net.org/>
> - + - CCWG
> - discuss and collect input
> - meeting weekly
> - goal: position by the end of March
> - + - email archive
> -
> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/ccwg-internet-governance/
> - + - web page
> -
>
>
> https://community.icann.org/display/CPMMB/ICANN+Community+Preparation+for+the+Multistakeholder+Meeting+in+Brazil+Home
> - + - Hi Level Panel (5th panel)
> - + - 3 f2f meetings
> - December
> - now
> - May
> - there is to be a submission to the Brazil meeting
> - + - NetMundial
> - goal: HOW to decide, not decide
> - submissions of principle and framework
> - late April, just after Easter
> - hosted by Brazilian govt
> - 4 cochairs
> - Hi level committee -- just met this week -- goal:
> good attention/attendance by governments
> - deadline for registration is tomorrow (28-Feb)
> - + - registration web page
> - ~ content.netmundial.br > Interests > Expression
> <http://content.netmundial.br/interests/expression>
> - + - overall web page
> - ~ netmundial.br <http://netmundial.br/>
> - + - Singapore
> - NCSG event -- starts at 10am, Friday before meeting,
> 10:00 - 18:00, followed by reception w/Fadi
> - Several events during the ICANN meetings
>
> + - 4.2 - Discussion
> - + - Berard;
> -
>
> + - ccNSO: categories of participation in NetMudial
> meetingdon't make room for ccTLD managers -- is this a metaphor for the way
> that IG discussions aren't leaving room for individual members of ICANN
> - + - tactical - ccNSO members?
> - open registration meeting - everybody is welcome -
> first come first served attendance
> - strongly encourage participation
>
> + - Snowden revelations provide excellent cover for political
> intent -- what is Fadi's public position on this?
> -
>
> Maria Farrell: John - the Montevideo statement sets out
> pretty clearly the concern re. pervasive monitoring and Internet
> stewardship. Fadi signed it for ICANN so I think it's fair to say he sees a
> link. Even if some use the Snowden revelations tactically, the fact remains
> that many have lost faith in the impartiality of the USG.
>
> + - Costerton: get asked questions about globalization of
> ICANN and Snowden - we don't have a particular view - realization within
> the US govt that structures may need to change
> - need to reenforce other voices at the table
>
> + - Richard Clark transcript -- the two issues are as far
> apart as one could find
> -
>
> ~ windowsitpro.com > Identity-management >
> Richard-clarke-rsa-conference-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering
> <http://windowsitpro.com/identity-management/richard-clarke-rsa-conference-10-observations-us-intelligence-gathering>
> - + - Farrell
> -
>
> + - Board resolution on globalization - disquite on lack of
> consultation, yet more CEO appointed panels, a lot of CEO-led activity
> going on. concern about Council role in this ad hoc series of actions by
> administration
> -
>
> + - Board chair saw a lot of email on this -- perhaps the
> 1net list?
> -
>
> ~ Marika Konings: Please note that this is the email
> from Steve Crocker that Sally was referring to:
> http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html
> <http://1net-mail.1net.org/pipermail/discuss/2014-February/002194.html>
>
> Costerton; with her engagement hat on -- groups are to
> facilitate the discussion that you have described Maria -- they will be in
> Singapore and given a public block - Council needs to know that their role
> is to act as facilitator
>
> + - Avri would very much have liked to participate the
> process of setting this up - post is coming to the list
> - Action: watch for that post
> - + - Cake:
> - + - is there anything that the Council or SGs should do?
> - reach out to communities and encourage them to
> participate in Netmundial
> - + - take a look at the BCG report
> - ~ icann.org > En > News > Announcements >
> Announcement-24jan14-en
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/announcements/announcement-24jan14-en.htm>
> - + - Chiao
> -
>
> congratulates Costerton on ASIAPAC engagement -- AsiaPAC
> members would like to be more engaged with the actual meetings, not just
> talking to people in the region, bring people to the meeting table and
> actually contribute
>
> 4.3 - Next steps
>
> + - Item 7: UPDATE & DISCUSSION - GAC Engagement - the work of the
> Joint GAC / GNSO Consultation Group (15 mins)
> - Here the Council will receive an update and discuss any action going
> forward.
> - + - 7.1 - Status update
> - + - Amr:
> - + - Reviewed charter --
> -
> http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/gac-gnso-cg/attachments/20140212/c6e3f7b6/GAC-GNSO-final-0001.pdf
> - Two work streams - PDP early engagement and day to day
> interaction
> - + - 7.2 - Discussion
> - + - Mikey
> - Charter is done, proposals are in progress
> - 7.3 - Next steps
>
> + - Item 8: UPDATE & DISCUSSION - Forthcoming review of the GNSO (10
> mins)
> -
>
> As part of a periodic review process that is built into the ICANN
> model, ICANN board initiated reviews of the GNSO (and the GNSO Council and
> related functions) are expected. In order to be informed and effectively
> prepared for this work, we have begun to engage with the body that
> commissions such reviews (the structural improvements committee) through
> its chair, Ray Plazk.
>
> The Council will track the planning work of the SIC and, where
> appropriate; provide relevant input to the process. We will also prepare
> to undertake a form of self-review in a similar format to that which we
> expect to arise out of the work of the SIC. A self-review will ensure that
> we are not only prepared for the board initiated work but also able to flag
> areas for potential improvement in as timely as possible a manner.
>
> + - 8.1 - Update (Jennifer Wolfe)
> -
>
> there is no update since the last meeting -- still waiting for
> an update from Ray
>
> Jonathan: will there be a document prior to Singapore? Marika:
> nothing expected to be published before Singapore
>
> 8.2 - Discussion
>
> 8.3 - Next steps
>
> + - Item 9: UPDATE & DISCUSSION - Planning for Singapore (15 mins)
> -
>
> Making the most out of the face-to-face meeting time available at
> the ICANN Meeting in Buenos Aires will take planning. GNSO Council Vice
> Chair, David Cake will lead this and will be working with the Council and
> staff on this effort.
>
> Here the Council has the opportunity to feed into plans and provide
> input based on past experience. Included in this item will be the
> opportunity to shape the approach to and substance of the Council's
> proposed meetings with other groups in such as the CCNSO, the GAC and the
> ICANN board.
>
> + - 9.1 - Update (David Cake & Jonathan Robinson)
> - Cake: very much Draft,
>
> 9.2 - Discussion
>
> + - 9.3 - Next steps
> - Action: forward the draft schedule to the ISPCP list if it
> hasn't been already -- DONE
>
> + - Item 10: Any Other Business (10 mins)
> - + - Community budget requests
> - + - requests from the Council:
> - Council development session,
> - face-to-face PDP meetings (potential for facilitation),
> - GAC GNSO reverse liaison (placeholder)
> - + - ICANN Board Seat 14 - NCPH - additional Council meeting
> Thursday, 10 April 2014 at 14:00 UTC
> - this is a placeholder for that meeting -- Glen to follow up to
> the list -- rationale for meeting
> - + - Note the Root Server System Advisory Committee (RSSAC)
> presence in Singapore
> - Action: schedule them with ISPCP on Tuesday?
> - Action: note public session to ISPCP list
> - + - Meeting Strategy WG has draft out for comment
> - + - Action: forward to ISPCP list - DONE
> - ~ icann.org > En > News > Public-comment >
> Meetings-strategy-25feb14-en
> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/public-comment/meetings-strategy-25feb14-en.htm>
> - Action: comments from ISPCP? - DONE
> - + - Amr: EWG process -- is Issue report the same as the EWG
> final report?
> -
>
> Marika: important to separate the two. final report due London,
> may be another round of public comment.
>
> There is already an initial report underway -- EWG will feed
> into that Issue Report, which will proceed to PDP because it's Board
> initiated
>
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