[council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
Mary Wong
mary.wong at icann.org
Fri May 16 16:44:35 UTC 2014
Hi James and everyone as they stand currently, the GNSO Operating
Procedures specify that an individual Councilor must provide an explanation
for an abstention on a vote, and may do so for either a Yes or No vote. Any
such explanation has to be recorded in the minutes of that meeting, and
draft minutes are to be produced within 8 days of a meeting. Following the
Chair and Vice-Chairs¹ initial vetting of the draft, Councilors may then
approve or object to the minutes prior to their posting.
I hope this helps.
Cheers
Mary
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From: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
Date: Friday, May 16, 2014 at 11:40 AM
To: John Berard <johnberard at aol.com>, "jrobinson at afilias.info"
<jrobinson at afilias.info>, "avri at acm.org" <avri at acm.org>,
"vgreimann at key-Systems.net" <vgreimann at key-Systems.net>,
"council at gnso.icann.org" <council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
> I tend to agree with John on this point, seeing as this is so far after the
> fact.
>
> But going forward (and I realize that time was short on this issue), perhaps
> we could have given a few days to pen a ³minority statement² on this (or any)
> motion. What are the rules & procedures around this.
>
> Thanks‹
>
> J.
>
>
> From: John Berard <johnberard at aol.com>
> Date: Friday, May 16, 2014 at 9:01
> To: "jrobinson at afilias.info" <jrobinson at afilias.info>, "avri at acm.org"
> <avri at acm.org>, "vgreimann at key-Systems.net" <vgreimann at key-Systems.net>, GNSO
> Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
>
> Jonathan, et. al.,
>
> I think such a letter is a bad idea. No one is barred from speaking, either
> individually or with the full-force of their constituency, but the vote ought
> to be the sole and unified voice of the Council.
>
> Berard
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info>
> To: 'Avri Doria' <avri at acm.org>; 'Volker Greimann'
> <vgreimann at key-Systems.net>; council <council at gnso.icann.org>
> Sent: Fri, May 16, 2014 6:31 am
> Subject: RE: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
>
>
> Avri / Volker,
>
> Would you like me to write a short letter to the NGPC (which will then
> become part of the formal record) indicating the voting?
>
> Jonathan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org?> ]
> Sent: 16 May 2014 14:00
> To: jrobinson at afilias.info; 'Volker Greimann'; council at gnso.icann.org
> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
>
> Hi
>
>
> 'motion passed by majority'
>
> is 'a bare fact'
>
> Please do not indicate that this is requesting a spin.
>
> thank you
>
> avri
>
> On 16-May-14 08:55, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>> > Thanks Avri & Volker,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Good points and I¹ll work with you to remedy in this case if possible
>> > and ensure that it is dealt with in future.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I was sensitive to the point, but when expressing it in words in a
>> > draft of the letter, it felt to me as if I was putting a spin on it so
>> > I backed off and reported the bare facts.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Note that, with this issue in mind, was the reason I referred the
>> > reader to the fact that a full discussion had taken place and that a
>> > record of that was available.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ³Full records of the discussions and the detail of the issues raised
>> > therein are available to the NGPC, or other interested parties,
>> > through mail archives, meeting recordings and transcripts.²
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Not quite as clear as you may have liked I do understand but I was
>> > aware of the subtleties and sensitivities here and attempted to reflect
> them.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > *From:*Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann at key-Systems.net
>> <mailto:vgreimann at key-Systems.net?> ]
>> > *Sent:* 16 May 2014 12:56
>> > *To:* Avri Doria; council at gnso.icann.org
>> > *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Agreed. We should make it a point to clearly deliniate the votes in
>> > each communication to the board in the future, i.e. not only include
>> > the complete voting record, but also who voted how.
>> >
>> > In some cases, we may also want to allow the dissenting groups to
>> > include a dissenting opinion with the submission of the motion.
>> >
>> > Volker
>> >
>> > Am 16.05.2014 13:44, schrieb Avri Doria:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > BTW I m glad Alan brought this up. At the time I was displeased
>> > that the letter did not give the vote count, but was distracted and
>> > did not say anything at the time.
>> >
>> > It allows the reader to assume that it was passed by a large margin,
>> > or even super majority as most things sent by the council, as
>> > opposed to having the barest of majorities.
>> >
>> > I think the letter should have given the full results.
>> >
>> > It is my fault as well, as I should have made a statement when I
>> > voted against this. A mistake I will try to avoid in the future.
>> >
>> > I still this this is a sad day for the GNSO.
>> >
>> > avri
>> >
>> > On 16-May-14 05:02, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks Glen and well-spotted Alan.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Correct, the body of the letter contains the correct
>> > resolution but the link
>> >
>> > is to the (original) motion.
>> >
>> > I thought the motion would be changed / updated to that which was
> voted on.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > I'll talk with Glen and we'll get it fixed by one route or
> another.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> >
>> > From: Glen de Saint Géry [mailto:Glen at icann.org
>> <mailto:Glen at icann.org?> ]
>> >
>> > Sent: 16 May 2014 09:33
>> >
>> > To: Alan Greenberg; jrobinson at afilias.info
>> > <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info?> >;
>> council at gnso.icann.org
>> > <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org?> >
>> >
>> > Cc: Glen de Saint Géry
>> >
>> > Subject: RE: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Alan and Jonathan,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > If you like, I will ask Web admin to fix the link, if they
>> > can, by changing
>> >
>> > it from the motions page to the resolutions page?
>> >
>> > http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/resolutions#201405
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Glen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Message d'origine-----
>> >
>> > De : owner-council at gnso.icann.org
>> > <mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org?>
>> >
>> > [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org?>
>> ] De
>> >
>> > la part de Alan Greenberg Envoyé : vendredi 16 mai 2014 06:31 À :
>> >
>> > jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info
>> <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info?> >;
> council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org?> > Objet : Re: [council]
> Re:
>> >
>> > Letter from the NGPC Chair
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jonathan, the letter was published by ICANN today, and I
>> > noticed a small
>> >
>> > error. The letter includes a link described as "The full text
>> > of the motion
>> >
>> > passed is available here". The link, however, points to the
>> > Motions page on
>> >
>> > the Wiki which is the original motion going into the meeting
>> > and not the
>> >
>> > final version.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > The version appended to the text of the letter is the correct
>> > one, so the
>> >
>> > impact of the error is likely to be small.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Alan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > At 09/05/2014 05:29 AM, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
>> >
>> > All,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > FYI. Please see attached for letter sent to the NGPC today.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Jonathan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> > Mit freundlichen Grüßen,
>> >
>> >
>> >
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