[council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
Jonathan Robinson
jrobinson at afilias.info
Fri May 16 17:04:35 UTC 2014
All,
Confirming, Chair and Vice Chairs have a draft of the minute.
Will review asap.
Jonathan
From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong at icann.org]
Sent: 16 May 2014 17:45
To: James M. Bladel; John Berard; jrobinson at afilias.info; avri at acm.org;
vgreimann at key-Systems.net; council at gnso.icann.org
Subject: Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
Hi James and everyone – as they stand currently, the GNSO Operating
Procedures specify that an individual Councilor must provide an explanation
for an abstention on a vote, and may do so for either a Yes or No vote. Any
such explanation has to be recorded in the minutes of that meeting, and
draft minutes are to be produced within 8 days of a meeting. Following the
Chair and Vice-Chairs’ initial vetting of the draft, Councilors may then
approve or object to the minutes prior to their posting.
I hope this helps.
Cheers
Mary
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From: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel at godaddy.com>
Date: Friday, May 16, 2014 at 11:40 AM
To: John Berard <johnberard at aol.com>, "jrobinson at afilias.info"
<jrobinson at afilias.info>, "avri at acm.org" <avri at acm.org>,
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Subject: Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
I tend to agree with John on this point, seeing as this is so far after the
fact.
But going forward (and I realize that time was short on this issue),
perhaps we could have given a few days to pen a “minority statement” on this
(or any) motion. What are the rules & procedures around this.
Thanks—
J.
From: John Berard <johnberard at aol.com>
Date: Friday, May 16, 2014 at 9:01
To: "jrobinson at afilias.info" <jrobinson at afilias.info>, "avri at acm.org"
<avri at acm.org>, "vgreimann at key-Systems.net" <vgreimann at key-Systems.net>,
GNSO Council List <council at gnso.icann.org>
Subject: Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
Jonathan, et. al.,
I think such a letter is a bad idea. No one is barred from speaking, either
individually or with the full-force of their constituency, but the vote
ought to be the sole and unified voice of the Council.
Berard
-----Original Message-----
From: Jonathan Robinson <jrobinson at afilias.info>
To: 'Avri Doria' <avri at acm.org>; 'Volker Greimann'
<vgreimann at key-Systems.net>; council <council at gnso.icann.org>
Sent: Fri, May 16, 2014 6:31 am
Subject: RE: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
Avri / Volker,
Would you like me to write a short letter to the NGPC (which will then
become part of the formal record) indicating the voting?
Jonathan
-----Original Message-----
From: Avri Doria [mailto:avri at acm.org <mailto:avri at acm.org?> ]
Sent: 16 May 2014 14:00
To: jrobinson at afilias.info; 'Volker Greimann'; council at gnso.icann.org
Subject: Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
Hi
'motion passed by majority'
is 'a bare fact'
Please do not indicate that this is requesting a spin.
thank you
avri
On 16-May-14 08:55, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
> Thanks Avri & Volker,
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> Good points and I’ll work with you to remedy in this case if possible
> and ensure that it is dealt with in future.
>
>
>
> I was sensitive to the point, but when expressing it in words in a
> draft of the letter, it felt to me as if I was putting a spin on it so
> I backed off and reported the bare facts.
>
>
>
> Note that, with this issue in mind, was the reason I referred the
> reader to the fact that a full discussion had taken place and that a
> record of that was available.
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>
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> “Full records of the discussions and the detail of the issues raised
> therein are available to the NGPC, or other interested parties,
> through mail archives, meeting recordings and transcripts.”
>
>
>
> Not quite as clear as you may have liked I do understand but I was
> aware of the subtleties and sensitivities here and attempted to reflect
them.
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> Jonathan
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> *From:*Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann at key-Systems.net
<mailto:vgreimann at key-Systems.net?> ]
> *Sent:* 16 May 2014 12:56
> *To:* Avri Doria; council at gnso.icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
>
>
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> Agreed. We should make it a point to clearly deliniate the votes in
> each communication to the board in the future, i.e. not only include
> the complete voting record, but also who voted how.
>
> In some cases, we may also want to allow the dissenting groups to
> include a dissenting opinion with the submission of the motion.
>
> Volker
>
> Am 16.05.2014 13:44, schrieb Avri Doria:
>
> Hi,
>
> BTW I m glad Alan brought this up. At the time I was displeased
> that the letter did not give the vote count, but was distracted and
> did not say anything at the time.
>
> It allows the reader to assume that it was passed by a large margin,
> or even super majority as most things sent by the council, as
> opposed to having the barest of majorities.
>
> I think the letter should have given the full results.
>
> It is my fault as well, as I should have made a statement when I
> voted against this. A mistake I will try to avoid in the future.
>
> I still this this is a sad day for the GNSO.
>
> avri
>
> On 16-May-14 05:02, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
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> Thanks Glen and well-spotted Alan.
>
>
>
> Correct, the body of the letter contains the correct
> resolution but the link
>
> is to the (original) motion.
>
> I thought the motion would be changed / updated to that which was
voted on.
>
>
>
> I'll talk with Glen and we'll get it fixed by one route or
another.
>
>
>
> Jonathan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Glen de Saint Géry [mailto:Glen at icann.org
<mailto:Glen at icann.org?> ]
>
> Sent: 16 May 2014 09:33
>
> To: Alan Greenberg; jrobinson at afilias.info
> <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info?> >;
council at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org?> >
>
> Cc: Glen de Saint Géry
>
> Subject: RE: [council] Re: Letter from the NGPC Chair
>
>
>
> Alan and Jonathan,
>
>
>
> If you like, I will ask Web admin to fix the link, if they
> can, by changing
>
> it from the motions page to the resolutions page?
>
> http://gnso.icann.org/en/council/resolutions#201405
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Glen
>
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
>
> De : owner-council at gnso.icann.org
> <mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org
<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org?> >
> [mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org
<mailto:owner-council at gnso.icann.org?> ] De
>
> la part de Alan Greenberg Envoyé : vendredi 16 mai 2014 06:31 À :
>
> jrobinson at afilias.info <mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info
<mailto:jrobinson at afilias.info?> >;
council at gnso.icann.org <mailto:council at gnso.icann.org
<mailto:council at gnso.icann.org?> > Objet : Re: [council]
Re:
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> Letter from the NGPC Chair
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> Jonathan, the letter was published by ICANN today, and I
> noticed a small
>
> error. The letter includes a link described as "The full text
> of the motion
>
> passed is available here". The link, however, points to the
> Motions page on
>
> the Wiki which is the original motion going into the meeting
> and not the
>
> final version.
>
>
>
> The version appended to the text of the letter is the correct
> one, so the
>
> impact of the error is likely to be small.
>
>
>
> Alan
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>
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> At 09/05/2014 05:29 AM, Jonathan Robinson wrote:
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> All,
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>
>
> FYI. Please see attached for letter sent to the NGPC today.
>
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>
> Jonathan
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> --
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