[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] [registration-issues-wg] Subsequent Procedures

Tue Aug 21 16:30:05 UTC 2018

Good point.
We need to design the scheme carefully.
R

On 21.08.2018, at 14:57, Alexander Schubert <alexander at schubert.berlin<mailto:alexander at schubert.berlin>> wrote:

Hi,

Please have an eye on "potential abuse". While aiding "underserved areas" in and of itself is a noble course - please always factor in that this might get abused by tricksters.

In the case of locally owned and operated geo-applicants for local geo-names: that's a good idea. But:

There is precedence that "portfolio applicants" are utilizing offshore legal entities as applicant vehicles. So we can't simply offer "incentives" (e.g. reduced application fees; or applicant support) to entities based in certain jurisdictions per se.

We had limited "abuse" in the 2012 round - because back then virtually nobody outside the inner ICANN circles was aware about the opportunity - and nobody imagined the fortunes that could be made (and in many cases WHERE made). This will radically change in 3 years when the 2nd round launches. People will examine the fringe cases in the 2012 round - and create clever schemes to "make money fast".

So the question: How exactly do we make sure that an application is a genuine "underserved area" operation? Just because they have a legal entity registered there, and rent a cheap shared office space and have two employees (for $US 150 each per month) sitting there staring holes into the wall?

Thanks,

Alexander

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From: GTLD-WG [mailto:gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Hilyard
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To: Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>>
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Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] Subsequent Procedures

I agree Roberto about the differences in "underserved" areas. Because they are on the outside edge of the circle of developed and even developing countries, there are specific reasons for their "underserved-ness" which makes them different from each other..

When it comes to the next round, I agree that each underserved region should really come up with a business plan of its own in relation to how it can make pertinent use of any new gTLDs.

I look at my own region and we need to put a lot more effort into our ISOC chapter and our Pacific ALSes to help them understand what we are talking about when we mention new gTLDs and other internet governance issues that they need to know about if our region is to make more meaningful and productive use of the Internet.

So little time and so much to do...

M

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 8:00 AM, Roberto Gaetano < roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com<mailto:roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>> wrote:

Maureen and Vanda,
I think that we all have ideas about how to address some issues that
are related to the fact that there are some underserved (so far)
geopolitical regions. As a matter of fact, if we do a thorough
analysis the “underserved” areas are not only geopolitical, but also of different kind.
The question is whether the next round does have as objective to
address in priority these areas, or whether is only based on
maximisation of the profit.
I remember a similar discussion 20+ years ago, when I was working at
ETSI, about the coverage of the GMS in Africa. The answer I got back
then is that “there is no business case in Africa”. Seen in 2018, this
position is ridiculous, but aren’t we reproducing the same cultural
pattern today with TLDs?
Cheers,
Roberto

On 08.08.2018, at 19:13, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com<mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>>
wrote:

So - the point here is just one: MAKE HUGE PROMOTION IN SOUTH
HEMISPHERE

And focus on making a splash in the Pacific region as well..

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 4:40 AM, Vanda Scartezini <
vanda.scartezini at gmail.com<mailto:vanda.scartezini at gmail.com>

wrote:

Some comments on Christopher points

a) Community Priority Evaluations
what was relevant during 2012 was the fact that all the effort asked
for community to prove support ( ltos of money to do this around the
world ) was ignored during the analysis period and several community (
I have promoted few) faced auction though their competitors had no
prove of community interest.
Then, if we will impose some demands to community we need to make sure
those items will be considered and none without similar qualifications
will be compete with them.

b)metrics
Metrics for end users are security, respect to privacy and " continuity".
If organization has no capacity to support initial investment so it
will fail in a couple years and all registrant had done to promote the
new domain will be waste of money.

I have been promoting here 2012 round. But it was this, myself talking
with several organizations to enter. We had a reasonable success but
the reality was there was NO PROMOTION of 2012 round in the South Hemisphere.
Nothing in digital news in local languages. ICANN came one day to Sao
Paulo Brazil and I asked people to join - we got 50 attendees . We had
8 ( from
11 applied in Brazil)  that attended this meeting . Nothing else was
done in South America.
When I have done a survey in 2015 talking with big companies around
South America I found just 1 that said they have no intention to apply
if there was another round, all others responded YES, they had
interest, please alert us, if there will be another round.
So - the point here is just one: MAKE HUGE PROMOTION IN SOUTH
HEMISPHERE

Vanda Scartezini
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cj
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Sorry for any typos.

On 8/8/18, 07:49, "GTLD-WG on behalf of wilkinson christopher" <
gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org on behalf of
cw at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:

  Good afternoon:

  I generally concur with Holly's priorities in addition to my
questions regarding Competition and Jurisdiction.

  Regards

  CW

El 8 de agosto de 2018 a las 7:09 Holly Raiche <

h.raiche at internode.on.net> escribió:

Folks

Having gone through the Report and Appendix C, the issues that ALAC

has been concerned with before and - I am suggesting - should
concentrate on in its response include:

Community Priority Evaluations
These applicants had priority, but the definition was narrow and few

applications made it through on this. The definition needs to be
revisited, and the evaluation more transparent and predictable- and
finalised BEFORE evaluation

Metrics
Unde the general heading, the question is asked whether there should

be success metrics.  We said - and I believe should continue to say -
have metrics as to what success looks like from an ALAC perspective.

PICS
Under global public interest, the question is asked whether there

should continue to be PICS.  They are there because we argued for them
- and still should

Applications from outside the US/Europe We expressed concern that most
of the applications came from the US

and, to a lesser extent, Europe.  We said this came down to a number
of factors, including

Length and complexity of Applicant Guidebook - it should be more

accessible, comprehensible, in different languages

Need for applicant support - maybe a dedicated round for developing

countries

Possibility of variable fees
IDNs
The report mentions need for further work to be done on Universal

Acceptance

Happy to discuss

Holly

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