[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] [registration-issues-wg] renewal of .org registry

[Marita Moll]

Yes, sorry for innocently starting this up. But it has been interesting 
to see the level of interest.

Marita

On 4/26/2019 8:42 PM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote:
> Well said JZ...
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2019, 04:11 Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org 
> <mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
>
>     Folks,
>     Let's table this discussion until we can have a more thorough
>     exploration of the issues. Email is a terrible way in which to
>     have such a discussion. Threads get lost, broken, etc. and
>     everyone is looking at this from a very narrow perspective. We owe
>     it to our constituency to take a broader view and to spend the
>     time getting it right.
>     Jonathan
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     *From:* GTLD-WG <gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>     <mailto:gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org>> on behalf of
>     Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com
>     <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>>
>     *Sent:* Friday, April 26, 2019 1:27 PM
>     *To:* George Kirikos
>     *Cc:* CPWG
>     *Subject:* Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] renewal of .org registry
>     George
>
>     Are these end-user issues that apply to the comment that the CPWG
>     initially proposed to add to the registry submissions about the
>     pricing of domains? We seem to have gotten a bit off track.
>
>     Maureen
>
>
>
>
>     On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 6:35 AM George Kirikos <icann at leap.com
>     <mailto:icann at leap.com>> wrote:
>
>         Hi folks,
>
>         On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:57 AM Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org
>         <mailto:greg at isoc-ny.org>> wrote:
>         > Finally, this concern about protecting small non-profits
>         from paying big bucks for domain names would seem a lot more
>         genuine if it included support for price caps in the resale
>         market (i.e., the secondary market or aftermarket).
>
>         You're conflating 2 different issues, Greg. The registry operators
>         charge *fees* for registry services (i.e. managing a central
>         database,
>         the zone file, the nameservers that spit back the nameservers
>         for the
>         various domain names in that registry). The market value of those
>         services are below $1/yr/domain (e.g. 70 cents per domain per
>         year for
>         the .IN ccTLD, as per their recent tender won by Neustar).
>
>         http://domainincite.com/23976-neustar-completes-in-migration
>
>         The secondary market or aftermarket is a marketplace for the asset
>         value of the domain names themselves, which is an entirely
>         different
>         market than that for registry services.
>
>         To understand this distinction, consider a trademark registry,
>         like
>         the USPTO, which has a fee structure for the services they
>         provide for
>         the registration and maintenance of trademarks. Those fees are
>         entirely unrelated to the value of the trademark itself. A
>         trademark
>         owned by Google for "GOOGLE" or by Nike for "JUST DO IT" has
>         set fees,
>         and Google or Nike are free to sell, assign, license, etc. those
>         trademarks to others at whatever the market will bear.
>         Companies like
>         Hilco Streambank routinely auction off the IP of companies,
>         including
>         their trademarks, see:
>
>         https://www.hilcostreambank.com/closed-deals
>
>         and of course, owners of TMs do these kinds of transactions
>         all the
>         time. For example, Hooters sold their trademark for $60 million.
>
>         https://www.bizjournals.com/tampabay/stories/2001/04/09/story1.html
>
>         The same comparison exists for a land registry and houses. Or a
>         copyright registry, and the copyrighted works. The story of the
>         Beatles catalog makes interesting reading:
>
>         https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/rock/7662519/beatles-catalog-paul-mccartney-brief-history-ownership
>
>         and that catalog only has value due to the copyrights (once those
>         copyrights expire, the works fall into the public domain, and the
>         works are free for everyone to use).
>
>         Sincerely,
>
>         George Kirikos
>         416-588-0269
>         http://www.leap.com/
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