[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] [registration-issues-wg] Discussion: End-users definition from At-large perspective

Wed Aug 7 14:31:37 UTC 2019

Alan,

I agree with your point of view. Moreover we should distinguish between two groups of “Individual Internet users". Obviously we are looking at the DNS and it’s use, right? I see these two groups:

1.      The person who is using the DNS to navigate the Internet. That is: Visiting Internet domain names in order to reach websites or sending and receiving emails (among other use cases).

2.      The registrants of domain names (insofar they utilize them for personal use)

I for example use alexander.berlin and alexander.lv as my virtual personal “calling cards”. I do not use them in any commercial activity. My needs and concerns (as Individual) about the governing of .berlin should be focus of ALAC in that respect. Likewise I am using .berlin domain names to find web content. So it is important for me that the .berlin gTLD is governed in a way that it creates value for me as Internet user.

I am preaching since over a decade that these are the BOTH constituents for any registry operator: First-most the INTERNET USER! And then the prospective domain registrants. So in the terms of ALAC “Individual Internet users” should be:

1.      Individuals navigating the Internet utilizing the DNS 

2.      Individuals as domain registrants

Does this make sense?

Thanks,

Alexander

From: GTLD-WG [mailto:gtld-wg-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] On Behalf Of Alan Greenberg
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Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] Discussion: End-users definition from At-large perspective

Nadira, 

One of the problems we face is that we continually use the term "Internet Users" or "Internet End-Users". I am guilty of it myself. 

But that is NOT the term used in the ICANN Bylaws to describe our focus audience. The Bylaws talk about "Individual Internet users". The word "Individual" is key, because it says our focus is on Internet Users (pretty much everyone who touches an Internet connected device) who are "Individuals" - those who are using the Internet purely on their own "individual" behalf. It excludes those who are using the Internet on behalf of an employers, or as part of running a business.

Does this help?

Regards, Alan

At 07/08/2019 04:31 AM, Nadira Alaraj wrote:

I created a New thread to the discussion of a definition of end-users avoiding the distraction of the flow of the new gtlds application support thread.

@Evan, thank you for sharing your perspective onthe end-user definition. 
>From my perspective still many  words need to be defined as well such as "everyone" "provides services"  because they are so broad and include many things.
Better to wait for Jonathan to bring it up (I also copied Jonathan email here) so everyone's voice could be heard.

Best wishes,
Nadira 

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From: Jonathan Zuck < JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org> >
Date: Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 10:48
Subject: Re: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] New gTLD Applicant Support - improve it, or scrap it?
To: Maureen Hilyard < maureen.hilyard at gmail.com <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com> >, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com <mailto:nadira.araj at gmail.com>  >
Cc: CPWG <cpwg at icann.org <mailto:cpwg at icann.org> >

Iâ€™ve been working on that very thing and hope eventually to bring it up on the CPWG call. ðŸ˜‰

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019, 10:49 Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org <mailto:evan at telly.org> > wrote:

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 02:24, Nadira Alaraj <nadira.araj at gmail.com <mailto:nadira.araj at gmail.com> > wrote:

Please can anyone lead me to the definition of "end-users" from the At-large perspective?

What has guided me well is simply this:

"An Internet end-user is anyone who obtains or provides services, or otherwise communicates with others, using the Internet."

Maybe it could be refined a bit but this works for most instances I can think of.

- Evan

I don't want to dwell into what I heard At-large end-users could be because I might be misinformed.

Having such definition makes the many discussions I've been reading since I joined At-large of greater focus.

If there are no end-user definition for AT-large, I suggest to add this on the agenda item for ATLAS III.

Best wishes to all,

Nadira 

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