[CPWG] Fwd: [hrpc] Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-i

Wed Dec 11 23:36:13 UTC 2019

Dear Bill, all,

knowing how many feel in the IETF community, asking the IETF to broaden
this document to include ICANN will be met with opposition. After all,
this is an Internet Draft meant for the IETF Process.

One bit did, however, make me smile. I quote:

End users are not necessarily a homogenous group; they might have
   different views of how the Internet should work, and might occupy
   several roles, such as a seller, buyer, publisher, reader, service
   provider and consumer.  An end user might be browsing the Web,
   monitoring remote equipment, playing a game, video conferencing with
   colleagues, sending messages to friends, or performing an operation
   in a remote surgery theatre.  They might be "at the keyboard", or
   represented by software indirectly (e.g., as a daemon).

"End users might be represented by software indirectly". A "daemon" is
an automated program that runs tasks in the background of a computer.
Thus this paragraph appears to note that some "end users" could be
represented by a piece of software". I wonder how many people in
At-Large are actually pieces of software? Should we subject members to a
Turing Test? :-)
Kindest regards,

Olivier

On 07/12/2019 18:27, Bill Jouris via CPWG wrote:
> At the moment, this draft RFC is narrowly focused on IETF, and how it
> prioritizes the interests of end users.  (Or, as we would phrase it,
> the interests of the At Large community.)  However I believe that
> there is already a suggestion that it might be broadened to include
> ICANN.  
>
> I have no idea how far IETF's remit runs, and whether that is even an
> option.  But if it is, At Large might wish to consider weighing in
> with a group opinion, in addition to whatever individual opinions some
> of us might offer. 
>
> Bill Jouris 
>
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>     On Sat, Dec 7, 2019 at 10:18 AM, avri doria
>     <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>
>     fyi
>
>
>
>     -------- Forwarded Message --------
>     Subject:     [hrpc] Fwd: New Version Notification for
>     draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt
>     Date:     Sat, 7 Dec 2019 10:29:15 +1100
>     From:     Mark Nottingham <mnot at mnot.net <mailto:mnot at mnot.net>>
>     To:     hrpc at irtf.org <mailto:hrpc at irtf.org>
>
>
>
>     The IAB wanted to give this draft wider exposure to folks than just
>     those on architecture-discuss; comment / feedback welcome (here, or on
>     the draft issues list at
>     <https://github.com/intarchboard/for-the-users/issues>).
>
>     Apologies if you've seen this before.
>
>     Cheers,
>
>
>     > Begin forwarded message:
>     >
>     > *From: *internet-drafts at ietf.org
>     <mailto:internet-drafts at ietf.org> <mailto:internet-drafts at ietf.org
>     <mailto:internet-drafts at ietf.org>>
>     > *Subject: **New Version Notification for
>     draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt*
>     > *Date: *18 November 2019 at 11:43:38 am AEDT
>     > *To: *"Mark Nottingham" <mnot at mnot.net <mailto:mnot at mnot.net>
>     <mailto:mnot at mnot.net <mailto:mnot at mnot.net>>>
>     >
>     >
>     > A new version of I-D, draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt
>     > has been successfully submitted by Mark Nottingham and posted to the
>     > IETF repository.
>     >
>     > Name:draft-iab-for-the-users
>     > Revision:01
>     > Title:The Internet is for End Users
>     > Document date:2019-11-18
>     > Group:iab
>     > Pages:11
>     > URL:
>     >
>                https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-for-the-users-01..txt
>     >
>     <https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-iab-for-the-users-01.txt>
>     > Status:
>             https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-iab-for-the-users/
>     > Htmlized:
>           https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-iab-for-the-users-01
>     > Htmlized:
>     >       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-iab-for-the-users
>     > Diff:
>     >
>               https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-iab-for-the-users-01
>     >
>     > Abstract:
>     >   This document explains why the IAB believes the IETF should
>     consider
>     >   end users as its highest priority concern, and how that can be
>     done.
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     >
>     > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
>     > submission
>     > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org
>     > <http://tools.ietf.org/>.
>
>     >
>     > The IETF Secretariat
>     >
>
>     --
>     Mark Nottingham   https://www.mnot.net/
>
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