[CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] Mission creep (was Re: Geographical Names and ISO 4217 alpha3 currency codes [...])

Fri Jun 28 14:23:08 UTC 2019

FWIW, I have applied to the power that be to participate at the Montreal
Summit. If accepted I would be happy to moderate or chair a session on
mission focus.

- Evan

On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 10:03, Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Totally agree - we need to focus on users' interests
>
> Best
> Hadia
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 28, 2019, at 1:14 PM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
> wrote:
>
> Exactly
>
> Jonathan Zuck
> Executive Director
> Innovators Network Foundation
> www.Innovatorsnetwork.org
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2019 10:44:21 AM
> *To:* Evan Leibovitch
> *Cc:* Holly Raiche; Jonathan Zuck; CPWG; justine.chew.icann at gmail.com
> *Subject:* Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] Mission creep (was Re:
> Geographical Names and ISO 4217 alpha3 currency codes [...])
>
> I wonder whether the ATLAS III in Montreal could be the opportunity to
> discuss and maybe refocus our strategic objectives.
> I agree with Evan that if we engage in discussions on topics where the
> user interest is not clear we take the risk of losing time and energy for
> things that, although important for others, are not in our priorities.
> But there is also another issue. If we do not have a clear focus on
> “what’s in for the users” we might have very diverging opinions on the
> topic, based on our very diverse personal opinions. This will automatically
> end up in a final statement that does not satisfy anybody, might sound
> contradictory, and at the end of the day does not even contribute
> substantially to the discussion that is taking place in ICANN.
> In summary, some risks, very little - if any - benefit.
> Moreover, running in circles without the chance to converge to a practical
> result makes Jonathan Zuck nervous 😀.
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
> On 24.06.2019, at 19:01, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 at 09:04, <h.raiche at internode.on.net> wrote:
>
>> I also concur
>>
>
> Thanks to all for the support of this position.
>
> As I get older, most of my thought processes these days start with "life's
> too short to dwell over the irrelevant". I didn't intentionally mean to
> pick on Christopher's issue to make this stand.
>
> In the past, ALAC has indulged in this kind of mission-creep far too often
> and I confess to having been a part of that. We got way too deep into
> issues such as vertical integration, dot-brands and similar battles that
> have near-zero impact on end-users. In hindsight, I even think that the
> massive amount of work that ALAC did in promoting (new-gTLD) Applicant
> support -- an effort that I co-chaired -- was for the benefit of would-be
> registries and indirectly registrars, with little fallout beyond them.
>
> *It wasn't an Alt-Large issue.*
>
> I can bemoan the execution of the Applicant Support program but must now
> realize in hindsight that its failure really did not impact end-users one
> bit. Even had it succeeded, registrants would have benefited but the
> end-user impact would be negligible. Given the massive amount of
> person-hours spent on the program by myself, Avri, Tijani, Alice (from the
> GAC) and many others, this realization is disheartening. Others should
> learn from our errors and be encouraged to avoid similar paths of futile
> irrelevance.
>
> As my penance I will do what I can going forward to repeat the
> end-user-relevance litmus test applied on currency-code TLDs to other ALAC
> issues and requests for comments, as they come forward. I invite others to
> be similarly vigilant.
>
> At one time I recall that At-Large staff measured the success and
> effectiveness of ALAC by how many statements and comments it produced. That
> approach of measuring quantity rather than quality, in retrospect, was an
> awful mistake, and must be repudiated should it still exist(*). Let's be
> super selective in the topics of interest -- issues of trust, abuse, IDNs,
> access and safety, for example -- but do justice to them once identified.
>
> Cheers,
> Evan
>
> (*) Yet one more instance of the many ways in which At-Large-related
> metrics are awful and an impediment to our real effectiveness. The only
> metric that really matters is "how is ICANN better because we are here?"
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