[CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] Mission creep (was Re: Geographical Names and ISO 4217 alpha3 currency codes [...])

Fri Jun 28 15:42:51 UTC 2019

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On Fri, 28 Jun 2019, 15:24 Evan Leibovitch, <evan at telly.org> wrote:

> FWIW, I have applied to the power that be to participate at the Montreal
> Summit. If accepted I would be happy to moderate or chair a session on
> mission focus.
>
> - Evan
>
>
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 10:03, Hadia El Miniawi <hadiaminiawi at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Totally agree - we need to focus on users' interests
>>
>> Best
>> Hadia
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 28, 2019, at 1:14 PM, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Exactly
>>
>> Jonathan Zuck
>> Executive Director
>> Innovators Network Foundation
>> www.Innovatorsnetwork.org
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Roberto Gaetano <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2019 10:44:21 AM
>> *To:* Evan Leibovitch
>> *Cc:* Holly Raiche; Jonathan Zuck; CPWG; justine.chew.icann at gmail.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] Mission creep (was Re:
>> Geographical Names and ISO 4217 alpha3 currency codes [...])
>>
>> I wonder whether the ATLAS III in Montreal could be the opportunity to
>> discuss and maybe refocus our strategic objectives.
>> I agree with Evan that if we engage in discussions on topics where the
>> user interest is not clear we take the risk of losing time and energy for
>> things that, although important for others, are not in our priorities.
>> But there is also another issue. If we do not have a clear focus on
>> “what’s in for the users” we might have very diverging opinions on the
>> topic, based on our very diverse personal opinions. This will automatically
>> end up in a final statement that does not satisfy anybody, might sound
>> contradictory, and at the end of the day does not even contribute
>> substantially to the discussion that is taking place in ICANN.
>> In summary, some risks, very little - if any - benefit.
>> Moreover, running in circles without the chance to converge to a
>> practical result makes Jonathan Zuck nervous 😀.
>> Cheers,
>> Roberto
>>
>> On 24.06.2019, at 19:01, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Jun 2019 at 09:04, <h.raiche at internode.on.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I also concur
>>>
>>
>> Thanks to all for the support of this position.
>>
>> As I get older, most of my thought processes these days start with
>> "life's too short to dwell over the irrelevant". I didn't intentionally
>> mean to pick on Christopher's issue to make this stand.
>>
>> In the past, ALAC has indulged in this kind of mission-creep far too
>> often and I confess to having been a part of that. We got way too deep into
>> issues such as vertical integration, dot-brands and similar battles that
>> have near-zero impact on end-users. In hindsight, I even think that the
>> massive amount of work that ALAC did in promoting (new-gTLD) Applicant
>> support -- an effort that I co-chaired -- was for the benefit of would-be
>> registries and indirectly registrars, with little fallout beyond them.
>>
>> *It wasn't an Alt-Large issue.*
>>
>> I can bemoan the execution of the Applicant Support program but must now
>> realize in hindsight that its failure really did not impact end-users one
>> bit. Even had it succeeded, registrants would have benefited but the
>> end-user impact would be negligible. Given the massive amount of
>> person-hours spent on the program by myself, Avri, Tijani, Alice (from the
>> GAC) and many others, this realization is disheartening. Others should
>> learn from our errors and be encouraged to avoid similar paths of futile
>> irrelevance.
>>
>> As my penance I will do what I can going forward to repeat the
>> end-user-relevance litmus test applied on currency-code TLDs to other ALAC
>> issues and requests for comments, as they come forward. I invite others to
>> be similarly vigilant.
>>
>> At one time I recall that At-Large staff measured the success and
>> effectiveness of ALAC by how many statements and comments it produced. That
>> approach of measuring quantity rather than quality, in retrospect, was an
>> awful mistake, and must be repudiated should it still exist(*). Let's be
>> super selective in the topics of interest -- issues of trust, abuse, IDNs,
>> access and safety, for example -- but do justice to them once identified.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Evan
>>
>> (*) Yet one more instance of the many ways in which At-Large-related
>> metrics are awful and an impediment to our real effectiveness. The only
>> metric that really matters is "how is ICANN better because we are here?"
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