[CPWG] [registration-issues-wg] tomorrow's discussion re: multistakeholder model
Marita Moll
mmoll at ca.inter.net
Fri May 31 20:16:09 UTC 2019
Dear all: I did not write the summary yet as I was waiting for the body
of the text to stabilize. I know we don't have to be rigid about it,
but, as I have always understood it, a summary is usually a brief
synopsis that stands alone for people who have not read the full text or
sometimes it is posted elsewhere on its own with a link to the full
text. A summary is not the same as an introduction -- which presents a
large idea which is then deconstructed.
I was not expecting others to write the summary or for other ideas to
creep into the summary. If I am misunderstanding this, please let me know.
Marita
On 5/31/2019 4:04 PM, cw at christopherwilkinson.eu wrote:
> Dear Maureen: I don’t quite understand the urgency of these
> deadlines, perhaps I have missed something.
>
> In any event, a final ‘official’ Executive Summary has not yet been
> proposed. <I would like to see that, even if my contribution is
> attenuated (or ignored.)
>
> As I said on the Wiki, I think that Siva’s encouragement for MS
> governance, actually goes too far in the face of the shortcomings of
> ICANN’s MS structures, as described in the report. I also believe that
> it goes beyond anything that ICANN.org <http://ICANN.org> has been
> saying in the Geneva UN IG discussions. TBC.
>
> Regards
>
> CW
> ALS - ISOC Wallonia BE.
>
> PS: Evin for the Staff, actually acknowledged receipt of my draft,
> quite positively.
> But community consensus should take precedence …
> Thank you Evin!!
>
>
>
>> On 31 May 2019, at 21:20, Maureen Hilyard <maureen.hilyard at gmail.com
>> <mailto:maureen.hilyard at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Christopher
>>
>> You have time to put in a personal submission. I can appreciate what
>> Marita is saying that the current statement has been formed by
>> discussion within the CPWG over a number of calls and cannot easily
>> be changed without consultation and possible changes that there is no
>> time to make.
>>
>> Perhaps in the executive summary it may state that a late alternative
>> view was proposed and an individual submission to the public comment
>> has been suggested.
>>
>> Maureen
>>
>> On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 7:59 AM Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Christopher,
>>
>> Evin needs to have this by this weekend in order to process the
>> thing on time. So, it will be over by Wednesday's call.
>>
>> And "no other comments" cannot be assumed as support for your
>> intervention. As the chief penholder, I feel the need to reflect
>> the content properly in the summary, not start another
>> discussion. Unless other people chime in, that's my position.
>>
>> Marita
>>
>> On 5/31/2019 1:00 PM, cw at christopherwilkinson.eu
>> <mailto:cw at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
>>> Dear Marita:
>>>
>>> Thankyou. However, since there is not a final text of the
>>> Executive Summary, I would wish to maintain my proposed draft.
>>> There is another CPWG on Wednesday evening (19.00 UTC) when we
>>> could review this and any other eventual proposals.
>>>
>>> I consider that my draft does in fact support the body of the
>>> opinion. I note that there have been no other comments meanwhile.
>>>
>>> I can’t apologise for coming in ‘late’ to this; recent CPWG
>>> schedules have been very challenging here for several reasons.
>>> Furthermore, a lot of time has been spent on EPDP, whereas in
>>> the longer term multi-stakeholder strategy is far more important.
>>>
>>> I maintain my comment.
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>> Christopher.
>>>
>>>> On 31 May 2019, at 16:19, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Christopher. I totally think your points are great -- but
>>>> it has not been part of the discussion we have had so far in
>>>> three conference calls so I don't feel, at this point, that I
>>>> have permission to pursue this line of thinking. The summary
>>>> needs to be a summary of what is already in the body of the
>>>> document, not an intro to another document.
>>>>
>>>> We might be able to use it in the next iteration of this
>>>> exercise which will not end here.
>>>>
>>>> Marita
>>>>
>>>> On 5/29/2019 2:10 PM, cw at christopherwilkinson.eu
>>>> <mailto:cw at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
>>>>> PS: In the penultimate line, replace’ organisation’ by’
>>>>> community'.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> CW
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 29 May 2019, at 20:00, cw at christopherwilkinson.eu
>>>>>> <mailto:cw at christopherwilkinson.eu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good evening, Further to today's CPWG Call, I would like to
>>>>>> submit the following text as a contribution fo the Executive
>>>>>> Summary:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> … still to be completed …
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Otherwise, the international perception of our unique
>>>>>> experiment in multi-stakeholder governance will be
>>>>>> undermined. Indeed the imbalances within the ICANN community
>>>>>> – described and discussed in this paper – go well beyond
>>>>>> dysfunctional consensus building, and nowadays have
>>>>>> significant economic, political and social consequences which
>>>>>> disproportionately privilege incumbent stakeholders at the
>>>>>> expense of others, both present and in the future, within and
>>>>>> beyond the ICANN structure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The current review of Evolving ICANN's Multi-stakeholder
>>>>>> Model needs to look well beyond the internal relationships
>>>>>> between the Supporting Organisations and Advisory Committees,
>>>>>> and address the question as to how the present arrangements
>>>>>> are viewed more widely, elsewhere in the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In most other regulated sectors of activity, companies and
>>>>>> public authorities expect the allocation and supervision of
>>>>>> public resources to benefit from decisions taken by
>>>>>> independent agencies which are normally careful to avoid
>>>>>> conflicts of interest, insider trading or collusion among
>>>>>> incumbents. Insofar as ICANN is nowadays managing the
>>>>>> allocation, and supervising the use of, quite vast economic
>>>>>> resources, our present structure and performance likely
>>>>>> appears to many as quite unusual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thus, arguably, the declared advantages of the
>>>>>> multi-stakeholder model no longer outweigh, in our case, the
>>>>>> disadvantages arising from the particular structure that has
>>>>>> evolved in ICANN during the past two decades, and which are
>>>>>> discussed in some detail in this report. Accordingly the
>>>>>> necessary rebalancing of participation and powers within the
>>>>>> ICANN organisation is in fact an essential factor in global
>>>>>> internet Governance (IG) at large. It would also enhance the
>>>>>> efficiency and transparency of our decisions and policies."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Christopher Wilkinson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS: I shall endeavour to post this text to the Wiki as a
>>>>>> Comment later today.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 29 May 2019, at 02:40, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net
>>>>>>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello cpwg members. Please take a look at the google doc re:
>>>>>>> comment on the MS model *BEFORE* the call. There is a
>>>>>>> document, and there are comments on the document you might
>>>>>>> want to address. If no one has issues with the document or
>>>>>>> with my responses to comments made to the document, then we
>>>>>>> won't have much to discuss. I don't have any slides to
>>>>>>> present. The document itself will be our reference point.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13nLdYeIB2wbTERgBdiE55z0RnM69F-nSXbrF4RwUZaQ/edit
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marita
>>>>>>>
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