[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] reference list re: amazon PICs

Wed Oct 2 10:34:23 UTC 2019

I do agree with you Alan on both the .amazon and the PICs in general
It’s clear that we are divided on .amazon (very long discussions and no possible consensus).

Tijani

> Le 2 oct. 2019 à 04:08, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> a écrit :
> 
> This message is in reply not only to Marita's message quoted here, but to some of the other replies in this thread as well.
> 
> The ALAC has largely stayed out of the .amazon issue, and for good reasons:
> 
> - We are divided - some of our members from the Amazon basin area feel strongly that the company should not have has been granted the domain, others feel strongly that they should
> - When we did a poll of ALAC members a while ago, the larges sentiment was that there not be one side that wins all and the other gets nothing
> 
> The PICs are an attempt to ensure that there is not a 100% loser. How well they meet the countries demands and how well they will work is not clear, but I see no reason for the ALAC to get involved in it now. I cannot see us contributing so wisdom from on high which will make everyone agree. Put another way, we will certainly not be a major influence in the outcome, so perhaps (to quote Douglas Adams) it is mostly harmless, but I see no real benefit that justifies the work that would nee to go into it.
> 
> The conversation went on to PICs in general. I am a strong supporter. The madatory PICs were largely as a result of GAC Advice on sensitive TLDs and they will not go away. That is good, as we strongly supported them.
> 
> Many voluntary PICs were (to quote Carlton) not worth a warm bucket of spit (or alternatively, a bucket of warm spit - it is unclear which phrase was used first, but thereafter they were often interchangeable). But that really does not matter. There WERE some PICs that were strong and important. Moreover, it is a mechanism that CAN be used for a registry that does want to make a difference. So I think we need to do all we can to ensure that they stay for the next round(s). 
> 
> Several people are right that once there, enforcement is important (not for the "spit" ones, but for the relatively few that do have meaning). But that is a more general issue and not purely related to new TLDs.
> 
> Alan
> 
> 
> At 26/09/2019 11:48 AM, Marita Moll wrote:
> 
>> Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue 
>> 
>> Primary sources:
>> 
>> *Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board  May 15, 2019
>> 
>> https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c
>>  <https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c>
>> *Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board
>> 
>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17apr19-en.pdf <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17apr19-en.pdf> 
>> 
>> *Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019
>> 
>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19-en.pdf <https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19-en.pdf> 
>> 
>> *ICANN Application comment form
>> 
>> https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login <https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login>
>> 
>> Secondary sources:
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>> *Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019
>> 
>> www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html
>>  <x-msg://13/www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.htm>
>> 
>> *Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't started yet
>> 
>> Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019
>> 
>> domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet
>>  <x-msg://13/domainincite.htm>
>> *Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government outrage
>> 
>> Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019
>> 
>> domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage <https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approving_amazon_for_amazon_inc/> 
>> 
>> 
>> *.amazon domains are getting closer
>> 
>> Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019   
>> 
>> https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are-getting-closer/
>>  <https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are-getting-closer/>
>> *Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of excuses to delay decision any further
>> 
>> Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019
>> 
>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/
>>  <https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/>
>> 
>> *ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed following 30 days of public comment
>> 
>> May 20, 2019
>> 
>> www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for_dot_amazon_can_proceed/
>>  <x-msg://13/www.circleid.htm>
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Tijani BEN JEMAA

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