[CPWG] [GTLD-WG] reference list re: amazon PICs

Wed Oct 2 16:58:23 UTC 2019

Hello all,

on today's CPWG call, it was suggested that actually providing a
response saying we have no consensus on this in our community, is more
desirable than seemingly being absent from the debate altogether.
Pointing out the lack of consensus in our community is valuable
information if only because it removes the point that some will gladly
attribute specific points to view to communities that are not represented.
As a result, the action item for this was:

The ALAC needs to convey that it understands the importance of
the Amazon Public Interest Commitments (PICs) 2019
<https://community.icann.org/display/alacpolicydev/At-Large+Workspace%3A+Amazon+Public+Interest+Commitments+%28PICs%29+2019>
issue and has discussed it at length, but that there is no consensus on
the ALAC and in the At-Large Community on the topic. Evin Erdogdu
<https://community.icann.org/display/~evin.erdogdu> to check on how to
file (informal) comment on the issue (either from Maureen Hilyard
<https://community.icann.org/display/~maureen.hilyard> or from staff
account).

Kindest regards,

Olivier

p.s. It is also worth re-reading the comment that was made a while ago
already on the topic itself, which you can find on the (archived)
BestBits Web site and which several LACRALO ALSes signed to.
https://bestbits.net/amazon/

On 02/10/2019 11:34, Tijani BEN JEMAA wrote:
> I do agree with you Alan on both the .amazon and the PICs in general
> It’s clear that we are divided on .amazon (very long discussions and
> no possible consensus).
>
> Tijani
>
>> Le 2 oct. 2019 à 04:08, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
>> <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>> a écrit :
>>
>> This message is in reply not only to Marita's message quoted here,
>> but to some of the other replies in this thread as well.
>>
>> The ALAC has largely stayed out of the .amazon issue, and for good
>> reasons:
>>
>> - We are divided - some of our members from the Amazon basin area
>> feel strongly that the company should not have has been granted the
>> domain, others feel strongly that they should
>> - When we did a poll of ALAC members a while ago, the larges
>> sentiment was that there not be one side that wins all and the other
>> gets nothing
>>
>> The PICs are an attempt to ensure that there is not a 100% loser. How
>> well they meet the countries demands and how well they will work is
>> not clear, but I see no reason for the ALAC to get involved in it
>> now. I cannot see us contributing so wisdom from on high which will
>> make everyone agree. Put another way, we will certainly not be a
>> major influence in the outcome, so perhaps (to quote Douglas Adams)
>> it is mostly harmless, but I see no real benefit that justifies the
>> work that would nee to go into it.
>>
>> The conversation went on to PICs in general. I am a strong supporter.
>> The madatory PICs were largely as a result of GAC Advice on sensitive
>> TLDs and they will not go away. That is good, as we strongly
>> supported them.
>>
>> Many voluntary PICs were (to quote Carlton) not worth a warm bucket
>> of spit (or alternatively, a bucket of warm spit - it is unclear
>> which phrase was used first, but thereafter they were often
>> interchangeable). But that really does not matter. There WERE some
>> PICs that were strong and important. Moreover, it is a mechanism that
>> CAN be used for a registry that does want to make a difference. So I
>> think we need to do all we can to ensure that they stay for the next
>> round(s).
>>
>> Several people are right that once there, enforcement is important
>> (not for the "spit" ones, but for the relatively few that do have
>> meaning). But that is a more general issue and not purely related to
>> new TLDs.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
>> At 26/09/2019 11:48 AM, Marita Moll wrote:
>>
>>> Hello CPWG members. As requested please see below the primary and
>>> secondary sources that were used in researching the Amazon PICs issue
>>>
>>> Primary sources:
>>>
>>> *Approved Board resolutions; special meeting of the Board  May 15, 2019
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/resources/board-material/resolutions-2019-05-15-en#1.c
>>>
>>> *Text of .amazon PICS -- E-mail to ICANN Board
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/huseman-to-chalaby-17apr19-en.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> *Marby to Zaluar correspondence -- June 13, 2019
>>>
>>> https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/marby-to-zaluar-13jun19-en.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> *ICANN Application comment form
>>>
>>> https://gtldcomment.icann.org/applicationcomment/login
>>>
>>> Secondary sources:
>>>
>>> *Domain Mondo's weekly Internet domain news review June 2, 2019
>>>
>>> www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.html
>>> <x-msg://13/www.domainmondo.com/2019/06/news-review-icann-gnso-epdp-phase-2.htm>
>>>
>>> *Hold your horses; the last wave of comments on .amazon hasn't
>>> started yet
>>>
>>> Kevin Murphy May 24, 2019
>>>
>>> domainincite.com/24300-hold-your-horses-the-last-wave-of-comments-on-amazon-hasnt-started-yet
>>> <x-msg://13/domainincite.htm>
>>> *Amazon wins; ICANN on verge of approving .amazon despite government
>>> outrage
>>>
>>> Kevin Murphy, May 19, 2019
>>>
>>> domainincite.com/24260-amazon-wins-icann-on-verge-of-approving-amazon-despite-government-outrage
>>> <https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/brcrb7/icann_on_verge_of_approving_amazon_for_amazon_inc/>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *.amazon domains are getting closer
>>>
>>> Konstantinos Zournas May 29, 2019  
>>>
>>> https://onlinedomain.com/2019/05/20/domain-name-news/amazon-domain-names-are-getting-closer/
>>>
>>> *Jeff Bezos finally gets .Amazon after DNS overlord runs out of
>>> excuses to delay decision any further
>>>
>>> Kieran McCarthy May 21, 2019
>>>
>>> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/05/21/bezos_finally_gets_amazon/
>>>
>>>
>>> *ICANN says Amazon In's application for .amazon TLD can proceed
>>> following 30 days of public comment
>>>
>>> May 20, 2019
>>>
>>> www.circleid.com/posts/20190520_icann_says_amazon_inc_application_for_dot_amazon_can_proceed/
>>> <x-msg://13/www.circleid.htm>
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