[CPWG] The crux of the COM issue

Mon Jan 6 05:40:24 UTC 2020

Nat, I have largely stayed out of the PIR discussion, but here I have to intervene.

First, In case you are not familiar with my background, let me present some credentials;

- I have been actively involved with At-Large since 2006, was an ALAC member for ten of those years, and was ALAC Chair for four years.
- ALAC had always taken an interest in issues related to registrants, where those needs do not conflict with those of the greater non-registrant population
- I initiated the PDP on domain tasting, a practice that allowed a very small number of domain investors to take unfair advantage of certain rules, allowing them to register "valuable" domains in great quantities without paying fees that would normally be associated with the business. So I do nave a fairly long and deep understanding of the domain investing business.
- I initiated and chaired a PDP and the protected registrant rights at expiration time. So I believe my track record shows some concern for registrants.

I have also been accused of "adopting talking points" of various other groups where the speakers apparently felt that I was betraying the At-Large cause because we happen to agree, in specific situations, with those who might otherwise be perceived as our enemies.

Jonathan is new to At-Large, but he well understands what we are here for. And if that means he at times agrees with some position taken by PIR or Verisign, or even domain investers!, you can be sure that he has thought it through and is not doing it for any reason other than he believes it is in the best interest of Individual Internet Users. You may disagree with what he says (and I do on occasion), be he is not doing it in blind support of some other interest.

Alan

At 05/01/2020 12:28 PM, Nat Cohen wrote:
Jonathan,

I find it disturbing that while you are participating in At-Large nominally as a representative of the best interests of end-users, you consistently adopt talking points pushed by Verisign and PIR and bash domain investors.

While domain investors are affected by price hikes, so is each and every registrant of .org and .com.  You have so far failed to explain why it is in the best interests of .org and .com registrants to pay unjustified higher prices to continue the use of their domain names, for the sole benefit of those registries that are already being overpaid for the services they provide.

For those with an interest, here is the link to the ICA's statement laying out many reasons for concern with the handling and the terms of the proposed renewal of the .com agreement: https://www.internetcommerce.org/ica-statement-on-icanns-announced-changes-to-the-com-registry-agreement/

Regards,

Nat Cohen
President
Telepathy, Inc.
www.Telepathy.com<http://www.Telepathy.com>

On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:09 PM Jonathan Zuck < JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org<mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:

My point, to be clear, is that these price hikes really only affect the investor community and will, as Evan has suggested, help clear some clutter out of the secondary market.

Jonathan Zuck
Executive Director
Innovators Network Foundation
www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org>

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Subject: Re: [CPWG] The crux of the COM issue

Somewhat reminiscent of what was suggested as the third position in the ALAC Statement of May 2019 on the .org RA renewal.

Justine Chew
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On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 00:03, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net<mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:

I can't find an copy of the NCSG letter on the ICANN website but a copy is posted on the Internet Gov. org site ( https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/12/11/icann-told-to-make-ethos-capital-conform-to-original-org-rfp-criteria/ )

NSCG is asking for (among other things):

A revised notification procedure in which wholesale price increases of any amount give ORG registrants 6 months to renew their domains for periods of up to 20 years at the pre-existing annual rate. Implementation of this revised notification procedure must be obligatory to both PIR as well as any registrar through which .org domain names are registered and/or renewed.

Marita

On 1/5/2020 10:43 AM, Marita Moll wrote:

Milton Mueller suggested that angle quite awhile ago and I think it forms part of their letter to ICANN  re: this issue. It is one of the contractual things that is actually within ICANN's purview and, from what I have read, would not be very appealing to a for profit private equity firm -- seriously limits their options.

Marita
On 1/4/2020 10:40 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
https://www.kickstartcommerce.com/about-that-10-year-renewal-strategy-for-com-domains.html

Jonathan Zuck
Executive Director
Innovators Network Foundation
www.Innovatorsnetwork.org<http://www.Innovatorsnetwork.org>

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