[CPWG] Verisign

Mon Jan 6 14:02:46 UTC 2020

Alan - Jonathan is capable of speaking for himself.  So let's ask him.

Jonathan - have you ever been compensated by Verisign, by a Verisign
lobbyist or a related entity?

Regards,

Nat

On Mon, Jan 6, 2020 at 12:40 AM Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
wrote:

> Nat, I have largely stayed out of the PIR discussion, but here I have to
> intervene.
>
> First, In case you are not familiar with my background, let me present
> some credentials;
>
> - I have been actively involved with At-Large since 2006, was an ALAC
> member for ten of those years, and was ALAC Chair for four years.
> - ALAC had always taken an interest in issues related to registrants,
> where those needs do not conflict with those of the greater non-registrant
> population
> - I initiated the PDP on domain tasting, a practice that allowed a very
> small number of domain investors to take unfair advantage of certain rules,
> allowing them to register "valuable" domains in great quantities without
> paying fees that would normally be associated with the business. So I do
> nave a fairly long and deep understanding of the domain investing business.
> - I initiated and chaired a PDP and the protected registrant rights at
> expiration time. So I believe my track record shows some concern for
> registrants.
>
> I have also been accused of "adopting talking points" of various other
> groups where the speakers apparently felt that I was betraying the At-Large
> cause because we happen to agree, in specific situations, with those who
> might otherwise be perceived as our enemies.
>
> Jonathan is new to At-Large, but he well understands what we are here for.
> And if that means he at times agrees with some position taken by PIR or
> Verisign, or even domain investers!, you can be sure that he has thought it
> through and is not doing it for any reason other than he believes it is in
> the best interest of Individual Internet Users. You may disagree with what
> he says (and I do on occasion), be he is not doing it in blind support of
> some other interest.
>
> Alan
>
> At 05/01/2020 12:28 PM, Nat Cohen wrote:
>
> Jonathan,
>
> I find it disturbing that while you are participating in At-Large
> nominally as a representative of the best interests of end-users, you
> consistently adopt talking points pushed by Verisign and PIR and bash
> domain investors.
>
> While domain investors are affected by price hikes, so is each and every
> registrant of .org and .com.  You have so far failed to explain why it is
> in the best interests of .org and .com registrants to pay unjustified
> higher prices to continue the use of their domain names, for the sole
> benefit of those registries that are already being overpaid for the
> services they provide.
>
> For those with an interest, here is the link to the ICA's statement laying
> out many reasons for concern with the handling and the terms of the
> proposed renewal of the .com agreement:
> https://www.internetcommerce.org/ica-statement-on-icanns-announced-changes-to-the-com-registry-agreement/
>
> Regards,
>
> Nat Cohen
> President
> Telepathy, Inc.
> www.Telepathy.com
>
> On Sun, Jan 5, 2020 at 12:09 PM Jonathan Zuck <
> JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org> wrote:
> My point, to be clear, is that these price hikes really only affect the
> investor community and will, as Evan has suggested, help clear some clutter
> out of the secondary market.
>
> Jonathan Zuck
> Executive Director
> Innovators Network Foundation
> www.Innovatorsnetwork.org
>
> ------------------------------
> From: CPWG <cpwg-bounces at icann.org > on behalf of Justine Chew <
> justine.chew at gmail.com >
> Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2020 11:31:16 AM
> To: cpwg at icann.org <cpwg at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CPWG] The crux of the COM issue
>
> Somewhat reminiscent of what was suggested as the third position in the
> ALAC Statement of May 2019 on the .org RA renewal.
>
> Justine Chew
> -----
>
>
> On Mon, 6 Jan 2020 at 00:03, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
>
> I can't find an copy of the NCSG letter on the ICANN website but a copy is
> posted on the Internet Gov. org site (
> https://www.internetgovernance.org/2019/12/11/icann-told-to-make-ethos-capital-conform-to-original-org-rfp-criteria/
> )
>
> NSCG is asking for (among other things):
>
> A revised notification procedure in which wholesale price increases of any
> amount give ORG registrants 6 months to renew their domains for periods of
> up to 20 years at the pre-existing annual rate. Implementation of this
> revised notification procedure must be obligatory to both PIR as well as
> any registrar through which .org domain names are registered and/or renewed.
>
> Marita
>
>
> On 1/5/2020 10:43 AM, Marita Moll wrote:
>
>
> Milton Mueller suggested that angle quite awhile ago and I think it forms
> part of their letter to ICANN  re: this issue. It is one of the contractual
> things that is actually within ICANN's purview and, from what I have read,
> would not be very appealing to a for profit private equity firm --
> seriously limits their options.
>
> Marita
> On 1/4/2020 10:40 PM, Jonathan Zuck wrote:
>
>
> https://www.kickstartcommerce.com/about-that-10-year-renewal-strategy-for-com-domains.html
>
> Jonathan Zuck
> Executive Director
> Innovators Network Foundation
> www.Innovatorsnetwork.org
>
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