[CPWG] PIR sale…

[Marita Moll]

Sorry Roberto. It was not meant disparagingly. I really like how you 
have framed it here -- about the foundation of our concerns which should 
revolve around the importance of protecting the public interest and 
concerns of the non-profit community in a historic deal that could spin 
in the other direction. We cannot rely on promises made where there are 
no consequences for breaking them . Ethos has said they would apply to 
become a "sort of" public benefit corp. but apparently that doesn't 
provide much comfort. I am not up on corp. law in the U.S. but there is 
apparently another option -- a real public benefit corp that would hold 
them to real outcomes (I am getting this info off another list -- so a 
bit fuzzy). Is that one avenue we could explore as a response not to 
ICANN but to the situation in general in a letter to PIR/ISOC.

Marita

On 1/8/2020 5:24 PM, Roberto Gaetano wrote:
> Just for the sake of clarity, I have never said that we should only 
> ask for a seat on the Board, I was only adding this item to what I 
> have stated in my earlier messages.
> I agree with you that the key question is to keep the voice of the 
> users heard loud and clear, and to keep the public interest on top of 
> the priorities for the “new” PIR.
> Incidentally, if we fail to make the point about the prominent place 
> of the public interest and the non-profit community, we will even fail 
> to have an argument for practical changes, like the Board seat.
>
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
>
>> On 08.01.2020, at 22:50, Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net 
>> <mailto:mmoll at ca.inter.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I am afraid I am starting to feel this way as well. The end user 
>> voice that we are here to provide is becoming a glaring absence. And 
>> we need to do more than ask for a seat on the PIR board. We should be 
>> joining our voice to others asking why and how the public interest 
>> aspect of this corner of the ecosystem can be so easily abandoned.
>>
>> Marita
>>
>> On 1/8/2020 4:33 AM, Vittorio Bertola via CPWG wrote:
>>>
>>> Il 2020-01-07 22:22 lists at christopherwilkinson.eu ha scritto:
>>>
>>>> FYI
>>>> Hilyard Has a Historic Chance to Activate ICANN At-Large 
>>>> <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200105_hilyard_has_a_historic_chance_to_activate_icann_at_large/>
>>> The main reason why almost 20 years ago we fought to create the ALAC 
>>> and preserve some form of user representation in ICANN after the 
>>> cancellation of the original At Large election mechanism was exactly 
>>> to guarantee a voice for the global public interest of billions of 
>>> Internet users, against possible capture or failure of ICANN's 
>>> industry self-regulation model. I have rarely seen a case in which 
>>> that global interest is so clear, so uniformly shared across the 
>>> community and so loudly voiced. IMHO, failing to act in this case 
>>> would easily become evidence in favour of those who challenge ALAC's 
>>> usefulness and ability to fulfill its mission.
>>> -- 
>>> vb.                   Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu 
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