[CPWG] PIR sale…

[Maureen Hilyard]

"We need to be the voice of the end-user, a voice of reason, and a voice
for the public interest".

Thank you Greg. I couldn't agree more.

M

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 12:31 PM Greg Shatan <greg at isoc-ny.org> wrote:

> I agree that our voice needs to be heard.  But what is that voice going to
> say?
>
> The Malthouse piece is a terrible blueprint for what that voice should be
> saying.  Frankly, it's misguided and even offensive.  If anything, we
> should be pushing back on it -- but by putting out different and better
> ideas, not by getting into a flame war.
>
> I don't support a hasty conclusion that the public interest aspect of .ORG
> is being abandoned (easily or not).  At best, there is cause for concern.
> But a rush to judgment is not the way to deal with those concerns.  We have
> the opportunity to frame the discussion, by asking solid, well-grounded
> questions, by proposing some principles/guideposts, and by providing advice
> on how to resolve these concerns -- which could mean a sale that allays our
> concerns and that goes through, or a sale that substantiates our concerns
> and doesn't go through.
>
> More specifically, ownership of .ORG by a non-profit has a nice symmetry
> to it.  It's easy to like, people are used to it, and it may even stop bad
> things from happening.  But ... there is no reason to presume that
> ownership by a non-profit is truly in the best interests of .ORG, its users
> or the general public.  If there's a reason to say that ownership by Ethos
> Capital will serve those interests well, it will need to come from facts
> and action (much of it from Ethos, PIR and even ISOC); we can't presume
> that either.
>
> We need to be the voice of the end-user, a voice of reason, and a voice
> for the public interest.  We need to sort the wheat from the chaff.  We may
> want to have our own meeting with ISOC, PIR and Ethos to get at the facts
> and dispel the myths.  As ALAC/At-Large, we have the platform to ask for
> that.
>
> If we join the pitchfork-and-torches crowd, we lose our unique voice and
> place in the ecosystem.  We become followers, not leaders.  We become
> enablers (and even spreaders) of FUD, rather than dispellers of FUD.
>
> So, let's find our voice.  But first we need to find our collective
> thoughts.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Greg
>
>
> Greg Shatan
> greg at isoc-ny.org
> President, ISOC-NY
> *"The Internet is for everyone"*
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:50 PM Marita Moll <mmoll at ca.inter.net> wrote:
>
>> I am afraid I am starting to feel this way as well. The end user voice
>> that we are here to provide is becoming a glaring absence. And we need to
>> do more than ask for a seat on the PIR board. We should be joining our
>> voice to others asking why and how the public interest aspect of this
>> corner of the ecosystem can be so easily abandoned.
>>
>> Marita
>> On 1/8/2020 4:33 AM, Vittorio Bertola via CPWG wrote:
>>
>> Il 2020-01-07 22:22 lists at christopherwilkinson.eu ha scritto:
>>
>> FYI
>>
>> Hilyard Has a Historic Chance to Activate ICANN At-Large
>> <http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200105_hilyard_has_a_historic_chance_to_activate_icann_at_large/>
>>
>>
>> The main reason why almost 20 years ago we fought to create the ALAC and
>> preserve some form of user representation in ICANN after the cancellation
>> of the original At Large election mechanism was exactly to guarantee a
>> voice for the global public interest of billions of Internet users, against
>> possible capture or failure of ICANN's industry self-regulation model. I
>> have rarely seen a case in which that global interest is so clear, so
>> uniformly shared across the community and so loudly voiced. IMHO, failing
>> to act in this case would easily become evidence in favour of those who
>> challenge ALAC's usefulness and ability to fulfill its mission.
>>
>> --
>> vb.                   Vittorio Bertola - vb [a] bertola.eu   <--------
>> -------->        now blogging & more at http://bertola.eu/   <--------
>>
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