[CPWG] . NGO

Tue Jan 14 01:57:21 UTC 2020

.NGO & .ONG have insignificant numbers of registrations compared to .ORG

TLDs
1..org
2 . ngo
3 . . ong
4..xn--clavg
5..xn--ilb6bla6a2e
6..xn--nqv7f
7..xn-nqv7fs00ema

DUMs
1..org- 10M
2 . .ngo -3,800
3.. ong-3,800
4..xn--clavg - 1,100
5..xn--nqv7f - 235
6..xn--ilb6bla6a2e - 78
7..xn-nqv7fs00ema - N/

Source:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/pir-isoc-ethos-capital-10jan20-en.pdf
Kindest regards,

Olivier

P.S. Also see:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/20200113_a_stronger_pir_and_dot_org_standing_behind_our_commitments/

On 13/01/2020 18:01, Bill Jouris via CPWG wrote:
> Perhaps we could go the opposite direction.  Have PIR keep .NGO and
> .ONG while divesting .ORG to a non-profit?  If they have a plan for
> making money out of .ORG, they ought to be able to apply it equally to
> the other TLDs. 
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Bill Jouris
>
> On Monday, January 13, 2020, 07:34:24 AM PST, Roberto Gaetano
> <roberto_gaetano at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Be aware that as of today the operation of .NGO/.ONG is not a
> profitable business. Very few registrars sell them, mostly because of
> the added complication of the validation step (the registrant is
> required to be a proper NGO), the bundle (the registration in either
> .NGO or .ONG will automatically allocate also the other one) and the
> high price (it is high to cover the additional costs for the items
> above). On top of that, a minimum fee has to be paid to ICANN
> regardless whether domain names are sold or not.
> I am not aware of any changes in PIR to address this problem, so it is
> fairly likely that a new owner of .NGO/.ONG will be in bad shape,
> because it will not have the profitable .ORG to support the losing
> business, nor will it have any power to exert onto the backend
> provider to force them to support a TLD that has very specific
> additional requirements.
> Cheers,
> Roberto
>
>> On 13.01.2020, at 16:12, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org
>> <mailto:evan at telly.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I floated this exact idea on another mailing list Dec 11....
>>
>> that as a condition of acquiring .ORG. Ethos divested of .NGO/.ONG to
>> a community body, and then provided a fund to assist the
>> brand-altering costs of any nonprofits that wanted to move. In the
>> forum it was presented, it was flat out rejected as a half measure 
>> when the objective was to stop the sale --- so I never pursued it
>> further. In fact, since .NGO already has a vetting process in place
>> (which could be modified in order to scale) it could more reliably be
>> a genuine no-freeloader place for nonprofits.
>>
>> - Evan
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 13 Jan 2020 at 10:00, Jonathan Zuck
>> <JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org <mailto:JZuck at innovatorsnetwork.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     Working on an outline for a response from us on this whole ORG
>>     thing and had a crazy idea. What if we suggest that PIR be asked
>>     to divest itself of NGO and award that to the new nonprofit.
>>     Right now PIR have a kind of monopoly on the field with those two
>>     as well as FOUNDATION. 
>>
>>     We've had a lot of discussion about making sure there is a public
>>     interest driven registry and a safe place for the nonprofit
>>     community. NGO already has a lot of those requirements in place
>>     and could be relaunched with a more specific set of commitments
>>     in the contract. We could even figure out how to minimize the NGO
>>     presence in the secondary market. 
>>
>>     PIR having NGO as a competitor might help keep them in line as well. 
>>
>>     Thoughts? 
>>
>>     Jonathan Zuck
>>     Executive Director
>>     Innovators Network Foundation
>>     www.Innovatorsnetwork.org <http://www.innovatorsnetwork.org/>
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